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Old Apr 25, 22, 6:13 pm
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New Finnair Longhaul cabin coming January 2022

Old Jul 1, 22, 4:40 am
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I also got the first longhauls done on the new seat, and for me, this new seat beats either of the old ones in pretty much everything.

Much better for sleeping, as well as lounging (just have to learn to move your body, not the seat). IFE screen also seems to have a better viewing angle; on the previous editions couldnt see much when fully horizontal whereas this works well.

Privacy is on a totally another level compared to earlier models, which I like a lot.

However, as I mentioned before, I could see this seat as problematic for people with limited movement ability, but YMMV I guess.
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Old Jul 3, 22, 11:10 am
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Ben from OMAAT tried the AY J seat and liked it.

https://onemileatatime.com/insights/...ss-class-seat/
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Old Jul 3, 22, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
Ben from OMAAT tried the AY J seat and liked it.

https://onemileatatime.com/insights/...ss-class-seat/
As I posted in the Hp thread, the soft product was a different story. I cant wait for his full report!
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Old Jul 3, 22, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
Ben from OMAAT tried the AY J seat and liked it.

https://onemileatatime.com/insights/...ss-class-seat/
Everyone who don t have to pay for it will like it. I don t believe a word of what all this bloggers write. I was in journalism too long since I don t see that there is a certain kind of dependency.
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Old Jul 3, 22, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by Ed Size View Post
Everyone who don t have to pay for it will like it. I don t believe a word of what all this bloggers write. I was in journalism too long since I don t see that there is a certain kind of dependency.
According to him, he never flies paid trips. And I doubt hed be bashing the soft product if he was paid for the trip.

I understand the skepticism but the background must be taken into account.
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Old Jul 3, 22, 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Ed Size View Post
Everyone who don t have to pay for it will like it. I don t believe a word of what all this bloggers write. I was in journalism too long since I don t see that there is a certain kind of dependency.
I agree with your view in general. However, in this case, Ben claims he always pays for his flights himself, either with points or cash. And he tries to be low-key on board. His reviews are actually credible, I think.

The only exception being when his husband gets special travel agency rates for hotels. In those cases the hotel reviews sometimes seem to leave a lot of things out.
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Old Jul 3, 22, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
I agree with your view in general. However, in this case, Ben claims he always pays for his flights himself, either with points or cash. And he tries to be low-key on board. His reviews are actually credible, I think.

The only exception being when his husband gets special travel agency rates for hotels. In those cases the hotel reviews sometimes seem to leave a lot of things out.
Airlines I also think he is pretty low key and objective. But e.g. with Hyatt there is clearly a note against his World of Hyatt profile of who he is, and the benefits he gets are accordingly, and he seems quite oblivious (intentional or unintentional) to it. Indeed the same for the benefits they get on the travel advisor rates that his husband books.

But as with all reviewers of anything, if you are aware of their biases and keep them in mind, their reviews can be quite helpful.
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Old Jul 3, 22, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Ed Size View Post
Everyone who don t have to pay for it will like it. I don t believe a word of what all this bloggers write. I was in journalism too long since I don t see that there is a certain kind of dependency.
At least, he tries to be "independent" and "objective", though he is also a bit naive, that airlines don't know him and aren't aware, they have another F/J blogger on board of their flights. Add to that, he seems to be at top-level loyalty recognition for each alliance, so yeah, he gets the royal treatment anyway.

Having flown several stretches he recently blogged about, I largely agree with his experiences/writings, though I also notice him missing items or just outright wrong. So, his sketched world isn't perfect, though on the other hand, it gives a fair impression, etc.

Without having flown the new AY J seat myself (probably coming up in the next weeks), my photo-based impressions are the same, as he now writes, so, his conclusions don't surprise me.

I think, this AY J seat concept is going to have a great future, despite the concept having some serious long-term cleanliness issues. Not only the fart-cage, though also the "head-rest" area. Normally, we see a disposable/cleanable cover to keep the headrest itself clean, and this is nowhere to be seen.
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Old Jul 4, 22, 12:40 am
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Add to that, he seems to be at top-level loyalty recognition for each alliance, so yeah, he gets the royal treatment anyway.
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Does he get that status by flying miles, or is he granted status?
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Old Jul 4, 22, 12:49 am
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Add to that, he seems to be at top-level loyalty recognition for each alliance, so yeah, he gets the royal treatment anyway.
Royal treatment for elites doesn't sound plausible on the AY forum Or if the service AY gives to its elites is royal in Finland, we have to be happy that Finland didn't become a monarchy
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Old Jul 4, 22, 5:19 am
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Just released, HKG will be next destination for new cabins, starting on 04AUG22
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Old Jul 4, 22, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by r2d2 View Post
Royal treatment for elites doesn't sound plausible on the AY forum Or if the service AY gives to its elites is royal in Finland, we have to be happy that Finland didn't become a monarchy
Well just the other week Sauli (Mr. President) fly in Y so I guess it is the royal / presidential treatment
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Old Jul 4, 22, 6:09 am
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Im really wanting to hear about the soft product because my experiences about it are not really great.
It feels like bare minimum treatment nowdays.
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Old Jul 4, 22, 7:30 am
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Does he get that status by flying miles, or is he granted status?
More about lucky can be read here: One Mile at a Time [OMaaT] discussions [merged]

While normal journos have some standards (figleaf policies required by their hiolding companies), bloggers have none whatsoever. Regulations just require them to disclose if it was a paid-for-by-the-brand trip, even that some don't disclose.
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Old Jul 4, 22, 12:33 pm
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Im really wanting to hear about the soft product because my experiences about it are not really great.
It feels like bare minimum treatment nowdays.
I'm not sure what you are expecting. I just flew on it. The service was friendly. The food was nothing special but it was fine. I pre ordered the seafood meal and it was good.

They had some champagne that people seemed to like but I don't drink the stuff so I have no idea. Their spirits menu was nothing special. No single malt scotch so I just drank water all flight and had a cup of green tea after dinner. Again, It was fine.

If you want a gourmet meal go to a nice restaurant. If you want to cross an ocean while sleeping in a lie flat, fly business class. I expect a gourmet meal on a plane about as much as I expect to enter a restaurant on one side of the ocean and leave on the other.
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