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Old Apr 2, 2018, 12:10 pm
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Yes, you have a big point that UK-EU and intra-EU are 2 different things.

Still, a third country airline has to adhere to EC261 for flights leaving or entering EU. And EC261 is only one of the things that are under ECJ jurisdiction, and UK has said everything ECJ is a no-go. So the comparison to QR and JL is not apples-to-apples.

Again, I have no idea if this 'red-line' is yet another one of the impossible demands that UK has (in order to please certain MPs) and if it will disappear when signing date is getting closer. Or if they will maintain this position through out. All I know is that they've said that they will never ever accept ECJ jurisdiction and that they will only partly and in spirit implement regulations. So under that position I still wonder why any country would sign a bilateral deal to allow them to fly under third country rights, but without the obligations.

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Old Apr 2, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by intuition
Still, a third country airline has to adhere to EC261 for flights leaving or entering EU.
EC261 only applies to flights ex-EU for non-EU carriers.
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Old Apr 2, 2018, 12:34 pm
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Yes, correct. Not for the inbound. Still, QR is bound by it and BA wouldn't be on LHR-HEL.
And EC261 is only the most visible regulation. There must be regulations like maximum crew time and so on. Naturally, worker sleep-regulations applies to EU members. The list of what actually is EU regulated and locally legislated in memberstates is enormous.
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 2:17 am
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BTW, Michel Barnier, the Chief European Negotiatior for the United Kingdom Exiting the European Union (quite a mouthful for a jobtitle) is in Finland for 5-6 April. This morning he had meetings about Brexit wiht Finnair and Finavia at the airport...
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