This is no way, AY - things to improve [feedback thread]
#2011
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: NYC
Programs: AY Plat Lumo; HH Diamond
Posts: 211
#2012
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,176
#2013
Ambassador: Finnair Plus
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+ Plat, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Discoverist, Priority Club Plat Amb, Miles and Smiles Elite
Posts: 5,294
I have answered twice similar questions regarding possible/potential AY/OW benefits and their rankings. AFAICT, none of those hypothetical benefits or their bundles have realized...
#2014
Join Date: Jul 2017
Programs: AY Plat Lumo, LX SEN, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 468
Some really weird stuff. Not sure how a 20€ voucher can be perceived as benefit? If you spend already thousands to reach Platinum, I'd rather get some soft benefits than a 20€ voucher. And same amount for Lumo, really?
Extending wifi to another device and free points transfer would be welcome for sure.
Extending wifi to another device and free points transfer would be welcome for sure.
#2015
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,176
The issue with Finnair implementation is that it locks your connection to one single device for entire journey (ie not 1 concurrent connection). The way SK has done it is much better. There you can start on any device and if you need to use another one, you just log in on that second device and the first device is disconnected. This keeps usage down without hampering users much.
If AY did the same, there would be very little need for a second voucher login.
#2016
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: TLL
Programs: AY+ Plat (OWE), *A Gold, ST Elite Plus
Posts: 84
There were some pretty sarcastic comments about the uselessness of the so-called benefits presented in the said survey on the AY Customer Community page - and of course I had to leave one as well . And now I notice they have closed the general comment section altogether.
So the free speach benefit is gone as well. No doubt due to overwhelming demand of the customers.
So the free speach benefit is gone as well. No doubt due to overwhelming demand of the customers.
#2017
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,176
Is the general experience that the new "low price calendar" works?
For me it is useless. It seems to me that the prices shown cannot be replicated, not by a long shot. And it looks like this on all my attempts lately.
Example: Here is CPH-SYD and it shows that J tickets lowest price is ≈31 400 DKK. Clicking in on the suggested month, a few dates show this price.
Clicking throught to booking shows 15 outbound options, the cheapest at 15 580. Choosing that and the cheapest return option is 21 287, ie the total adding to ≈36 900DKK some 700€ above advertised price. This is also the option that Finnair lables as "Best option".
Even clicking on other prices for outbound does not change this fact - the advertised price is nowhere to be seen.
This is very poor. Definitely breaking marketing directives, maybe also criminal law.
But I am dumbfounded on how this has been achieved. Assuming it is not in purpose, there must be a major flaw in how the calender gets its pricing. Does it calculate ex taxes? Does it miss pricing component of codeshares? Does it calculated economy-fare on the codeshare legs? Is there a forex calculation going wrong?
Does it see availability that the booking can't? Then it is phantom availability, because the advertised prices can't be replicated on matrix/google
If I take the outbound price and doubles it, it comes very close to the advertised lowest available price, but still off 20-30€, not close enought to be an explanation.
For me it is useless. It seems to me that the prices shown cannot be replicated, not by a long shot. And it looks like this on all my attempts lately.
Example: Here is CPH-SYD and it shows that J tickets lowest price is ≈31 400 DKK. Clicking in on the suggested month, a few dates show this price.
Clicking throught to booking shows 15 outbound options, the cheapest at 15 580. Choosing that and the cheapest return option is 21 287, ie the total adding to ≈36 900DKK some 700€ above advertised price. This is also the option that Finnair lables as "Best option".
Even clicking on other prices for outbound does not change this fact - the advertised price is nowhere to be seen.
This is very poor. Definitely breaking marketing directives, maybe also criminal law.
But I am dumbfounded on how this has been achieved. Assuming it is not in purpose, there must be a major flaw in how the calender gets its pricing. Does it calculate ex taxes? Does it miss pricing component of codeshares? Does it calculated economy-fare on the codeshare legs? Is there a forex calculation going wrong?
Does it see availability that the booking can't? Then it is phantom availability, because the advertised prices can't be replicated on matrix/google
If I take the outbound price and doubles it, it comes very close to the advertised lowest available price, but still off 20-30€, not close enought to be an explanation.
#2019
Join Date: May 2012
Location: GVA (HEL)
Programs: AY Plat (OWE)
Posts: 536
Is the general experience that the new "low price calendar" works?
For me it is useless. It seems to me that the prices shown cannot be replicated, not by a long shot. And it looks like this on all my attempts lately.
Example: Here is CPH-SYD and it shows that J tickets lowest price is ≈31 400 DKK. Clicking in on the suggested month, a few dates show this price.
Clicking throught to booking shows 15 outbound options, the cheapest at 15 580. Choosing that and the cheapest return option is 21 287, ie the total adding to ≈36 900DKK some 700€ above advertised price. This is also the option that Finnair lables as "Best option".
Even clicking on other prices for outbound does not change this fact - the advertised price is nowhere to be seen.
This is very poor. Definitely breaking marketing directives, maybe also criminal law.
But I am dumbfounded on how this has been achieved. Assuming it is not in purpose, there must be a major flaw in how the calender gets its pricing. Does it calculate ex taxes? Does it miss pricing component of codeshares? Does it calculated economy-fare on the codeshare legs? Is there a forex calculation going wrong?
Does it see availability that the booking can't? Then it is phantom availability, because the advertised prices can't be replicated on matrix/google
If I take the outbound price and doubles it, it comes very close to the advertised lowest available price, but still off 20-30€, not close enought to be an explanation.
For me it is useless. It seems to me that the prices shown cannot be replicated, not by a long shot. And it looks like this on all my attempts lately.
Example: Here is CPH-SYD and it shows that J tickets lowest price is ≈31 400 DKK. Clicking in on the suggested month, a few dates show this price.
Clicking throught to booking shows 15 outbound options, the cheapest at 15 580. Choosing that and the cheapest return option is 21 287, ie the total adding to ≈36 900DKK some 700€ above advertised price. This is also the option that Finnair lables as "Best option".
Even clicking on other prices for outbound does not change this fact - the advertised price is nowhere to be seen.
This is very poor. Definitely breaking marketing directives, maybe also criminal law.
But I am dumbfounded on how this has been achieved. Assuming it is not in purpose, there must be a major flaw in how the calender gets its pricing. Does it calculate ex taxes? Does it miss pricing component of codeshares? Does it calculated economy-fare on the codeshare legs? Is there a forex calculation going wrong?
Does it see availability that the booking can't? Then it is phantom availability, because the advertised prices can't be replicated on matrix/google
If I take the outbound price and doubles it, it comes very close to the advertised lowest available price, but still off 20-30€, not close enought to be an explanation.
#2020
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,685
Of course a separate question is why someone who has promised to fly with the best price / convenience because "AY+ loyalty is no longer worth it" would be looking for 51 hour, 4-5k euro J class tickets to Australia with AY when KL/KE seem to have tickets for 3500 and LX/SQ for 4200 without 51 hours of travel time. Or maybe they are just browsing through AY prices looking for problems?
#2021
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,601
Hmmm…how to bite this one.
A tixket that cost 587€, and I cancelled within 24h and refunded, it took about two weeks for finnair to keep my money and now the refunded amount is 35€ less.
in understand foreign currency conversion and all that fluctuation but this is just not right.
A tixket that cost 587€, and I cancelled within 24h and refunded, it took about two weeks for finnair to keep my money and now the refunded amount is 35€ less.
in understand foreign currency conversion and all that fluctuation but this is just not right.
#2022
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,176
What currency was it ticketed in?
I See this problem now and then but from DKK to SEK. And then not this big difference.
(I believe a vendor can make a credit identical to the debit, not sure though under what circumstances it is possible.) Ie reverse the charges, not pay you a certain Eur amount.But it seems Finnair never does that, I recently had a 24h cancellation, refunded issue 1 day later than the charge, still lost me a few SEK
I See this problem now and then but from DKK to SEK. And then not this big difference.
(I believe a vendor can make a credit identical to the debit, not sure though under what circumstances it is possible.) Ie reverse the charges, not pay you a certain Eur amount.But it seems Finnair never does that, I recently had a 24h cancellation, refunded issue 1 day later than the charge, still lost me a few SEK
Last edited by intuition; Jan 21, 2023 at 12:13 am
#2023
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,601
What currency was it ticketed in?
I See this problem now and then but from DKK to SEK. And then not this big difference.
(I believe a vendor can make a credit identical to the debit, not sure though under what circumstances it is possible.) Ie reverse the charges, not pay you a certain Eur amount.But it seems Finnair never does that, I recently had a 24h cancellation, refunded issue 1 day later than the charge, still lost me a few SEK
I See this problem now and then but from DKK to SEK. And then not this big difference.
(I believe a vendor can make a credit identical to the debit, not sure though under what circumstances it is possible.) Ie reverse the charges, not pay you a certain Eur amount.But it seems Finnair never does that, I recently had a 24h cancellation, refunded issue 1 day later than the charge, still lost me a few SEK
#2024
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat Lumo, SK Gold
Posts: 954
On some other airlines where I have cancelled a ticket using the 24 h rule my credit card has never been actually charged. The transaction first appears as pending (as usual), and when I've cancelled the ticket, the pending transaction has never been confirmed and thus I haven't been charged.
#2025
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Seat 1L these days :)
Programs: AF Platinum/AY LUMO/SK EBG/baEC S/HYATT Globalist/MR LTP/A3 *G/HH Dia/IHG plat
Posts: 7,961
Hmmm…how to bite this one.
A tixket that cost 587€, and I cancelled within 24h and refunded, it took about two weeks for finnair to keep my money and now the refunded amount is 35€ less.
in understand foreign currency conversion and all that fluctuation but this is just not right.
A tixket that cost 587€, and I cancelled within 24h and refunded, it took about two weeks for finnair to keep my money and now the refunded amount is 35€ less.
in understand foreign currency conversion and all that fluctuation but this is just not right.