Jul 6, 2013, 8:10 am
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This Flyertalk wiki deals with transiting in the Helsinki Airport (HEL). As the number of connections to Asia through HEL has grown, so has the number of passengers as well. This has meant more and more inquiries in the AY+ Forum regarding the transit in HEL. This wiki is meant to provide answers to the most usual questions. Providing this information in wiki format means that everyone can contribute.
HEL terminal interiors can now be viewed with Google Street view.
1. HEL Airport
Helsinki Airport is still a relatively small airport and therefore easy to navigate. The minimum connection time (MCT) is 35 minutes (40 minutes from Schengen to non-Schengen), which is usually more than enough to make the transfer, if your arriving plane is not obscenely late. At least AY flights are known to wait for their connecting passengers, if feasible (as offering connections for people travelling to and from Asia is basically that airline’s strategy).
Lately, with ongoing airport expansion and heavy reliance on bus gates, there have been more reports of missed connections and of Finnair proactively rebooking passengers on late incoming flights. MCT has not (yet) changed, but traveller should perhaps not fully rely on departures waiting on late arrivals as they used too.
The airport consists of one terminal building which until Jun 2022 had two check in/baggage halls named T1 and T2. From Jun 2022 a single check in/baggage hall opened and the terms T1 and T2 are no longer used although you might find them mentioned in old materials and on signs which have not been updated. There is a very good interactive map of the airport and its services on the web site of the airport.
There are some hidden gems in the interactive map. You can zoom to great detail and examine the different floors.By clicking on a gate number, you will get the current scheduled departures from that gate, and even gate changes. This information is very difficult to find elsewhere. It seems the map has been "enhanced" and a lot of useful stuff has been removed.
HEL is split into Schengen (gates 11 to 31) and non-Schengen (gates 32 to 55) areas. Schengen is an agreement between (most) EU countries and several non-EU European countries (Norway except Svalbard, Iceland and Switzerland) that allows travel between the countries without having to pass through passport control. (You are still required to be in possession of a valid travel document.) When thinking about transiting in HEL, it is very important to know on which side of the dividing line your arriving and departing flights are, as there is a passport control between two areas.
Transfer services
There are two transfer service desks, one "hidden" in the non-schengen taxfree-maze (before gate 32, next to Almost@home lounge) and one in the schengen area,next to gate 25. which has moved to near gate 31X.
There is also a "Hello" transfer service, primarily aimed at Chinese speaking who wants help spending money at the overpriced airport stores.
How to understand gatenumbers
All gates without a suffix are jetbridge gates. Currently only gate 53-55 are dual jetbridge gates (separating business and economy boarding), but more are to come. (Exception to the rule is gate 11, which is a tarmac boarding gate.)
Some jetbridge gates doubles as busgates.
If your gate has a letter-suffix it is a bus-gate. 50A-M is actually a newly build bus terminal, separated from main building. 23AB, 31A-E and 51A-D are other typical busgates.
The exception is 32A (aka 31X although 31X is never seen on boarding passes/departure displays). For capacity reasons, sometimes gate 31 is used for non-schengen departures, despite it being located in the schengen area. Passengers are then boarded at 32A (adjacent 32) and then led back in a long corridor to gate 31 that is then sealed off from the schengen side - this op mode is called 31X.
2. Different ways to transit
In the following it is assumed that you are really transiting in HEL. If you start your journey in HEL, you will need to go through a security check before entering airside.
2.1 Schengen to Schengen
This is the easiest option. You arrive from a country in the Schengen area and continue to another Schengen area country. Since Finland is itself a Schengen country, there is no passport control. There is also no security check. However, if you arrive at a bus gate, you will arrive at the ground floor entrance of the terminal from the bus. You will then need to take the stairs up to remain airside. If you go through the automatic doors to the baggage claim area, you can't come back. You will then need to exit the baggage claim area to the arrivals area, go to the second floor, and enter through security again.
2.2 Schengen to non-Schengen
If you arrive from the Schengen area and continue to outside the Schengen area, you need to clear the passport control before gate 32. However, if you arrive at a bus gate, you will arrive at the ground floor entrance of the terminal. You need to take the stairs up to remain airside. If you go through the automatic doors to the baggage claim area, you can't come back. You will then need to exit the baggage claim area to the arrivals area, go to the second floor, and enter through security again.
In the afternoon before the bank of Asian flights departs, the queues at passport control can be quite long. However, holders of biometric EU/EEA/Swiss, Australian, Canadian, Japanese, New Zealand, South Korean and US passports can use the automatic passport control machines. They are generally reliable and fast. A general description can be found here. There is no security control after the passport control.
2.3 Non-Schengen to Schengen
For most travelers arriving from a non-Schengen country and then continuing to Schengen, you need to clear both security and passport control, in that order.
If you arrive from a clean (trusted) airport in the USA or EU (UK, IE, BG, CY, HR, RO) you pass only immigration, no security, as the authorities have deemed those security checks sufficiently tight. These passengers should pay close attention to the signs after passport control since the passageway to the Schengen gate area is easy to miss. Going downstairs to the baggage claim area is a one way trip and access to the schengen gate area is then out via arrivals, upstairs to the check in area and needlessly back through security.
At security they sometimes devote the first few lines to passengers on short connections. Access is based solely on how tight your connection really is. Sometimes there is a sign with entitled flight numbers, and sometimes an airport staff member will direct you. If your incoming is late, then it might be a good idea to look for it. If you have a normal short connection, don't bother. After the security you will be airside, close to gate 32, i.e., still in the non-Schengen area.
2.4 Non-Schengen to non-Schengen
Since you are not entering into the Schengen area, you do not need to go through the passport check but the need for security depends on the trusted nature of your originating airport. If you arrive from a clean (trusted) airport in the USA, UK, non-schengen EU (IE, BG, CY, HR, RO) or some other cities like SIN then you exit the jetway directly into the non schengen departures floor (second floor) and you can proceed directly to your gate with no additional checks. If you arrive from another country (not trusted) then you must clear security before being allowed back to the non schengen departures area and this is enforced by channeling these passengers up to the third floor of the non schengen gate area and from there down through transfer security.
At security they sometimes devote the first few lines to passengers on short connections. Access is based solely on how tight your connection really is. Sometimes there is a sign with entitled flight numbers, sometimes an airport staff member will direct you. If your incoming is late, then it might be a good idea to look for it. If you have a normal short connection, don't bother. After the security you will be airside, close to gate 32, i.e., still in the non-Schengen area.
2.5 Bringing liquids through security
As a rule of thumb, the standard one-litre resealable plastic bag is valid for security. Exceptions are made for medicine and baby food.
Liquids bought during your travel from a non-EU airport or onboard a non-EU registered plane are not allowed through security. These items, including alcohol and cosmetics, will be taken away at the security control. This rule does not apply to liquids bought at international airports in the USA, Canada, Singapore or Kuala Lumpur provided that they are safely packed including a receipt stating the place of purchase.
Onboard EU airlines, however, you can buy liquid duty-free items provided that the liquids are packed into a plastic bag and sealed. At the security check for the connecting flight, show the sealed and unopened bag together with a receipt on the purchased items.
Liquids bought at an airside duty-free store at an airport within the European Union and Norway, Iceland and Switzerland may be brought through security within 24 hours of purchase (i.e., you may go to land-side and re-enter security within the time period) provided that the items are in the original sealed and unopened bag together with a receipt for the purchased items.
2.6 Minimum legal connection time MCT
As the airport is expanding, this whole section will sooner or later become outdated. Use at your own risk, do your own research.
The minimum legal connection times are (to many people surprisingly) short when you transfer AY to AY:
Many connections sold by Finnair uses this fact and that sometimes raise the question "Will I make it?". The answer is Yes. You can quite easily move from Schengen to Non-Schengen in 10 minutes, if you are in normal physical condition and hold a EU passport or a passport valid for the e-gates (see section 2.2). For others, it is suggested you go straight to passport control as the waiting can be long during peak hours.
Your bags will be tagged with a crazy-striped "Short Connection" lable and will make it too.
Also, AY will generally delay departures (within reason) to accommodate passengers from delayed incoming AY-flights. Naturally, you need to hold one (1) ticket for your complete journey for this to work, otherwise AY might not know you are transferring.
This seems to be a policy of the past, as more and more reports comes in with AY not accommodating even smaller delays.
For seasoned travellers it is possible to book separate tickets with even shorter connections and still make it. Seasoned in this case means you are fully aware of the fact that you alone has responsibility of making your flight and you are clever enough to not have checked luggage. Finnair uses a few banks (narrow time bands where almost all incoming and departing flights are coordinated) so you especially need to check if there is a later flight and/or prepare accommodations yourself.
(sources www.finavia.fi and www.trafi.fi)
3. Use of lounges while transiting in HEL
Since this is Flyertalk, the possibility of using lounges is obviously on many passengers’ minds. Finnair has all in all three lounges in HEL, see the Finnair page on HEL lounges.
Platinum lounge offers "upgraded food & beverage selection" and has "Gourmet snacks" (cold cuts, canapés) 10.00-24.00. During the afternoons there is also a menu service served at your table.
When transiting, you can use these lounges if your class of travel or Oneworld status permit you access. The Finnair Lounge in the non-Schengen area has several showers available and even a small sauna. There are showers also in the Schengen lounge. There is no arrival lounge as such at HEL, but at least AY Plats and occasionally OW Emeralds have been granted access to the Finnair Lounge in the non-Schengen area even if they are not transiting. This is YMMV category.
In addition, there is an Aspire Lounge (with shower) close to gate 27, which is used, e.g., by Skyteam airlines and Turkish Airlines, but also allows Priority Pass card holders in, or you can buy single entry at €35. Finnair lounges offers single entry at 48€, sometimes there is a discount in your MMB or BP or can be purchased online for €39 if your itinerary is eligible. Star Alliance has a lounge near gate 13 operated by SAS.
4. Hotels at HEL airport
GLO hotel, inside the actual terminal (landside, basement level).
Offers rooms with 10% off for Finnair plus members. Campaign code PROFP at the time of booking and show card when checking in. Benefit includes free cancellation.
Hilton, a short walk outside terminal mostly under roof. Due to expansion of the airport security, the passageway to Hilton is now more cumbersome and only accessible via stairs. Airport operator suggest taking a taxi (!). Just as before, it is also accessible by the free parking shuttle bus. Get off at parking P5 to save a few meters.
Scandic has opened an airport-hotel in H1 2018, in the TOKE building, between T2 and Hilton. Despite being closer to the airport than Hilton, the walk is actually longer as entrance is in south end of building. Around 400 m. The free parking shuttle stops at P5 which is about 100m from Scandic entrance.
Clarion opened a hotel next to Aviapolis train station in 2016, but it is a stretch to call it an airport hotel as it is not within walking distance. It is easily accessed by train though.
Take the I-train one stop to station Aviapolis, use exit Aviabulevardi and the hotel entrance is to the right at the top of escalators. The train ride takes 2 minutes, but requires a BC zone ticket (currently €2.80) sold in machines at the train station.
5. Getting around
The immediate vicinity of HEL airport is serviced by parking shuttle bus and hotel shuttle bus.
Helsinki downtown is serviced by public trains and buses, and by the "Finnair citybus" shuttle. Finnair Citybus can be paid with points (currently 2500p oneway) by simply swiping your AY+ membership card.
Tickets to public trains/busses are sold by vending machines, at R-kioski shops or via the mobile app. Tickets must be purchased before boarding. The metropolitan area is split into ticketing zones. The airport is in zone C and the city centre is zone A, meaning an airport-city centre ticket is zones ABC. Journeys close to the airport can be done solely in zone C (eg to nearby shopping mall Jumbo) although the transport authority does not sell single zone tickets, so a BC or CD ticket must be bought (with BC tickets substantially cheaper). Sadly, they have removed the map that explained the zone-system. To know what zones you will be travelling in, you need to use the in-app route planner, and a small e.g. "ABC" will be shown on each suggested route, indicating you need a e.g. ABC-zone ticket.
The "HSL" smartphone app is easy to use, works in english, accepts foreign phones and mastercard/visa. It sells single tickets, 1-7 day tickets and 30 day tickets. It no longer requires a constant internet connection, ie you can buy a day ticket using the free wifi at the airport and then go off line and still have a valid ticket.
The 1-7 day passes are better value if you take ≈3+ single trips a day or if you plan to use night time traffic as that is included in daily passes but single night time tickets are priced higher than normal single tickets.
HEL terminal interiors can now be viewed with Google Street view.
1. HEL Airport
Helsinki Airport is still a relatively small airport and therefore easy to navigate. The minimum connection time (MCT) is 35 minutes (40 minutes from Schengen to non-Schengen), which is usually more than enough to make the transfer, if your arriving plane is not obscenely late. At least AY flights are known to wait for their connecting passengers, if feasible (as offering connections for people travelling to and from Asia is basically that airline’s strategy).
Lately, with ongoing airport expansion and heavy reliance on bus gates, there have been more reports of missed connections and of Finnair proactively rebooking passengers on late incoming flights. MCT has not (yet) changed, but traveller should perhaps not fully rely on departures waiting on late arrivals as they used too.
The airport consists of one terminal building which until Jun 2022 had two check in/baggage halls named T1 and T2. From Jun 2022 a single check in/baggage hall opened and the terms T1 and T2 are no longer used although you might find them mentioned in old materials and on signs which have not been updated. There is a very good interactive map of the airport and its services on the web site of the airport.
There are some hidden gems in the interactive map. You can zoom to great detail and examine the different floors.
HEL is split into Schengen (gates 11 to 31) and non-Schengen (gates 32 to 55) areas. Schengen is an agreement between (most) EU countries and several non-EU European countries (Norway except Svalbard, Iceland and Switzerland) that allows travel between the countries without having to pass through passport control. (You are still required to be in possession of a valid travel document.) When thinking about transiting in HEL, it is very important to know on which side of the dividing line your arriving and departing flights are, as there is a passport control between two areas.
Transfer services
There are two transfer service desks, one "hidden" in the non-schengen taxfree-maze (before gate 32, next to Almost@home lounge) and one in the schengen area,
There is also a "Hello" transfer service, primarily aimed at Chinese speaking who wants help spending money at the overpriced airport stores.
How to understand gatenumbers
All gates without a suffix are jetbridge gates. Currently only gate 53-55 are dual jetbridge gates (separating business and economy boarding), but more are to come. (Exception to the rule is gate 11, which is a tarmac boarding gate.)
Some jetbridge gates doubles as busgates.
If your gate has a letter-suffix it is a bus-gate. 50A-M is actually a newly build bus terminal, separated from main building. 23AB, 31A-E and 51A-D are other typical busgates.
The exception is 32A (aka 31X although 31X is never seen on boarding passes/departure displays). For capacity reasons, sometimes gate 31 is used for non-schengen departures, despite it being located in the schengen area. Passengers are then boarded at 32A (adjacent 32) and then led back in a long corridor to gate 31 that is then sealed off from the schengen side - this op mode is called 31X.
2. Different ways to transit
In the following it is assumed that you are really transiting in HEL. If you start your journey in HEL, you will need to go through a security check before entering airside.
2.1 Schengen to Schengen
This is the easiest option. You arrive from a country in the Schengen area and continue to another Schengen area country. Since Finland is itself a Schengen country, there is no passport control. There is also no security check. However, if you arrive at a bus gate, you will arrive at the ground floor entrance of the terminal from the bus. You will then need to take the stairs up to remain airside. If you go through the automatic doors to the baggage claim area, you can't come back. You will then need to exit the baggage claim area to the arrivals area, go to the second floor, and enter through security again.
2.2 Schengen to non-Schengen
If you arrive from the Schengen area and continue to outside the Schengen area, you need to clear the passport control before gate 32. However, if you arrive at a bus gate, you will arrive at the ground floor entrance of the terminal. You need to take the stairs up to remain airside. If you go through the automatic doors to the baggage claim area, you can't come back. You will then need to exit the baggage claim area to the arrivals area, go to the second floor, and enter through security again.
In the afternoon before the bank of Asian flights departs, the queues at passport control can be quite long. However, holders of biometric EU/EEA/Swiss, Australian, Canadian, Japanese, New Zealand, South Korean and US passports can use the automatic passport control machines. They are generally reliable and fast. A general description can be found here. There is no security control after the passport control.
2.3 Non-Schengen to Schengen
For most travelers arriving from a non-Schengen country and then continuing to Schengen, you need to clear both security and passport control, in that order.
If you arrive from a clean (trusted) airport in the USA or EU (UK, IE, BG, CY, HR, RO) you pass only immigration, no security, as the authorities have deemed those security checks sufficiently tight. These passengers should pay close attention to the signs after passport control since the passageway to the Schengen gate area is easy to miss. Going downstairs to the baggage claim area is a one way trip and access to the schengen gate area is then out via arrivals, upstairs to the check in area and needlessly back through security.
At security they sometimes devote the first few lines to passengers on short connections. Access is based solely on how tight your connection really is. Sometimes there is a sign with entitled flight numbers, and sometimes an airport staff member will direct you. If your incoming is late, then it might be a good idea to look for it. If you have a normal short connection, don't bother. After the security you will be airside, close to gate 32, i.e., still in the non-Schengen area.
2.4 Non-Schengen to non-Schengen
Since you are not entering into the Schengen area, you do not need to go through the passport check but the need for security depends on the trusted nature of your originating airport. If you arrive from a clean (trusted) airport in the USA, UK, non-schengen EU (IE, BG, CY, HR, RO) or some other cities like SIN then you exit the jetway directly into the non schengen departures floor (second floor) and you can proceed directly to your gate with no additional checks. If you arrive from another country (not trusted) then you must clear security before being allowed back to the non schengen departures area and this is enforced by channeling these passengers up to the third floor of the non schengen gate area and from there down through transfer security.
At security they sometimes devote the first few lines to passengers on short connections. Access is based solely on how tight your connection really is. Sometimes there is a sign with entitled flight numbers, sometimes an airport staff member will direct you. If your incoming is late, then it might be a good idea to look for it. If you have a normal short connection, don't bother. After the security you will be airside, close to gate 32, i.e., still in the non-Schengen area.
2.5 Bringing liquids through security
As a rule of thumb, the standard one-litre resealable plastic bag is valid for security. Exceptions are made for medicine and baby food.
Liquids bought during your travel from a non-EU airport or onboard a non-EU registered plane are not allowed through security. These items, including alcohol and cosmetics, will be taken away at the security control. This rule does not apply to liquids bought at international airports in the USA, Canada, Singapore or Kuala Lumpur provided that they are safely packed including a receipt stating the place of purchase.
Onboard EU airlines, however, you can buy liquid duty-free items provided that the liquids are packed into a plastic bag and sealed. At the security check for the connecting flight, show the sealed and unopened bag together with a receipt on the purchased items.
Liquids bought at an airside duty-free store at an airport within the European Union and Norway, Iceland and Switzerland may be brought through security within 24 hours of purchase (i.e., you may go to land-side and re-enter security within the time period) provided that the items are in the original sealed and unopened bag together with a receipt for the purchased items.
2.6 Minimum legal connection time MCT
As the airport is expanding, this whole section will sooner or later become outdated. Use at your own risk, do your own research.
The minimum legal connection times are (to many people surprisingly) short when you transfer AY to AY:
Code:
Domestic - Domestic 25-35 minutes Schengen - Schengen 35 minutes Schengen - Non-Schengen 40 minutes
Your bags will be tagged with a crazy-striped "Short Connection" lable and will make it too.
This seems to be a policy of the past, as more and more reports comes in with AY not accommodating even smaller delays.
For seasoned travellers it is possible to book separate tickets with even shorter connections and still make it. Seasoned in this case means you are fully aware of the fact that you alone has responsibility of making your flight and you are clever enough to not have checked luggage. Finnair uses a few banks (narrow time bands where almost all incoming and departing flights are coordinated) so you especially need to check if there is a later flight and/or prepare accommodations yourself.
(sources www.finavia.fi and www.trafi.fi)
3. Use of lounges while transiting in HEL
Since this is Flyertalk, the possibility of using lounges is obviously on many passengers’ minds. Finnair has all in all three lounges in HEL, see the Finnair page on HEL lounges.
- Finnair Business class Lounge in the non-Schengen area, opposite gate 50.
Access: Tierless business class travelers, AY Silver tier can purchase access for €25 or use 8500 AY Plus Points, oneWorld emeralds and sapphires. Must have an AY marketed ticket or flying in Business on JAL. - Finnair Platinum Lounge in the non-Schengen area opposite gate 50.
Access: oneWorld Emeralds. Ay Sapphires can access the Premium Lounge during non-peak hours until the expansion of the business class lounge is completed. - Finnair Lounge in the Schengen area above gates 23 - 26. Entry stairs and elevator close to gate 22.
Access: Tierless business class travelers on Finnair, AY Silver tier can purchase access for €25 or use 8500 AY Plus Points, oneWorld Emeralds and Sapphires. Must have an AY marketed ticket! Those who are on the AY operated flight sold by AF to CDG can use the Aspire lounge.
Platinum lounge offers "upgraded food & beverage selection" and has "Gourmet snacks" (cold cuts, canapés) 10.00-24.00. During the afternoons there is also a menu service served at your table.
When transiting, you can use these lounges if your class of travel or Oneworld status permit you access. The Finnair Lounge in the non-Schengen area has several showers available and even a small sauna. There are showers also in the Schengen lounge. There is no arrival lounge as such at HEL, but at least AY Plats and occasionally OW Emeralds have been granted access to the Finnair Lounge in the non-Schengen area even if they are not transiting. This is YMMV category.
In addition, there is an Aspire Lounge (with shower) close to gate 27, which is used, e.g., by Skyteam airlines and Turkish Airlines, but also allows Priority Pass card holders in, or you can buy single entry at €35. Finnair lounges offers single entry at 48€, sometimes there is a discount in your MMB or BP or can be purchased online for €39 if your itinerary is eligible. Star Alliance has a lounge near gate 13 operated by SAS.
4. Hotels at HEL airport
GLO hotel, inside the actual terminal (landside, basement level).
Offers rooms with 10% off for Finnair plus members. Campaign code PROFP at the time of booking and show card when checking in. Benefit includes free cancellation.
Hilton, a short walk outside terminal mostly under roof. Due to expansion of the airport security, the passageway to Hilton is now more cumbersome and only accessible via stairs. Airport operator suggest taking a taxi (!). Just as before, it is also accessible by the free parking shuttle bus. Get off at parking P5 to save a few meters.
Scandic has opened an airport-hotel in H1 2018, in the TOKE building, between T2 and Hilton. Despite being closer to the airport than Hilton, the walk is actually longer as entrance is in south end of building. Around 400 m. The free parking shuttle stops at P5 which is about 100m from Scandic entrance.
Clarion opened a hotel next to Aviapolis train station in 2016, but it is a stretch to call it an airport hotel as it is not within walking distance. It is easily accessed by train though.
Take the I-train one stop to station Aviapolis, use exit Aviabulevardi and the hotel entrance is to the right at the top of escalators. The train ride takes 2 minutes, but requires a BC zone ticket (currently €2.80) sold in machines at the train station.
5. Getting around
The immediate vicinity of HEL airport is serviced by parking shuttle bus and hotel shuttle bus.
Helsinki downtown is serviced by public trains and buses, and by the "Finnair citybus" shuttle. Finnair Citybus can be paid with points (currently 2500p oneway) by simply swiping your AY+ membership card.
Tickets to public trains/busses are sold by vending machines, at R-kioski shops or via the mobile app. Tickets must be purchased before boarding. The metropolitan area is split into ticketing zones. The airport is in zone C and the city centre is zone A, meaning an airport-city centre ticket is zones ABC. Journeys close to the airport can be done solely in zone C (eg to nearby shopping mall Jumbo) although the transport authority does not sell single zone tickets, so a BC or CD ticket must be bought (with BC tickets substantially cheaper). Sadly, they have removed the map that explained the zone-system. To know what zones you will be travelling in, you need to use the in-app route planner, and a small e.g. "ABC" will be shown on each suggested route, indicating you need a e.g. ABC-zone ticket.
The "HSL" smartphone app is easy to use, works in english, accepts foreign phones and mastercard/visa. It sells single tickets, 1-7 day tickets and 30 day tickets. It no longer requires a constant internet connection, ie you can buy a day ticket using the free wifi at the airport and then go off line and still have a valid ticket.
The 1-7 day passes are better value if you take ≈3+ single trips a day or if you plan to use night time traffic as that is included in daily passes but single night time tickets are priced higher than normal single tickets.
Transiting in Helsinki [HEL]
Jan 14, 2019, 11:58 am
#541
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And I do remember a lot of yellow on 01 Feb 2018 barely a year ago. Well, my flight was not yellowed. Because Norra wanted us to board on time and wait in the plane instead of in the terminal
Don't get me wrong. I understand that it would not make economical sense to be prepared for extreme winter weather, when it only occurs a few times a year. But in the end, it is really just that the local understanding of extreme, and preparedness for difficult weather, is different in HEL as in LHR or AMS.
Jan 14, 2019, 12:04 pm
#542
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Jan 14, 2019, 12:41 pm
#544
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Jan 16, 2019, 9:33 am
#546
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More snowhow.
41 flights cancelled 17 jan.
41 flights cancelled 17 jan.
Jan 21, 2019, 11:16 pm
#547
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Apologies if this has been asked before,
i am plannig on a LHR-HEL-SFO in July all on AY metal.
Just a bit confused about which path I take on arrival as (it’s a 65 minute connection as oreference) U.K. is obviously non Schengen but does the SFO flight depart from Schengen or non Schengen gates?
If the latter then I don’t have to clear passport control or security (as U.K. is on the ‘clean’ list in the wiki) but if the formerly then it’s both. Have I read that right?
I assume as OW Emerald I’ll be able to use the premium lounge which shoukd be open by then. May not have anytime though another flight option gives me over 3 hours to spare. I do prefer the short connection as it’s on the A350.
Thanks.
i am plannig on a LHR-HEL-SFO in July all on AY metal.
Just a bit confused about which path I take on arrival as (it’s a 65 minute connection as oreference) U.K. is obviously non Schengen but does the SFO flight depart from Schengen or non Schengen gates?
If the latter then I don’t have to clear passport control or security (as U.K. is on the ‘clean’ list in the wiki) but if the formerly then it’s both. Have I read that right?
I assume as OW Emerald I’ll be able to use the premium lounge which shoukd be open by then. May not have anytime though another flight option gives me over 3 hours to spare. I do prefer the short connection as it’s on the A350.
Thanks.
Jan 21, 2019, 11:26 pm
#548
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UK arrivals pour straight into the non-Schengen gate area, which is where your SFO flight will be departing from (obviously, SFO being in the US and very much non-Schengen). No security control, no passport control. Just walk to your next gate. 65 minutes will be plenty of time and will even allow a 30-min delay (or lounge visit).
Jan 21, 2019, 11:27 pm
#549
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Apologies if this has been asked before,
i am plannig on a LHR-HEL-SFO in July all on AY metal.
Just a bit confused about which path I take on arrival as (it’s a 65 minute connection as oreference) U.K. is obviously non Schengen but does the SFO flight depart from Schengen or non Schengen gates?
If the latter then I don’t have to clear passport control or security (as U.K. is on the ‘clean’ list in the wiki) but if the formerly then it’s both. Have I read that right?
I assume as OW Emerald I’ll be able to use the premium lounge which shoukd be open by then. May not have anytime though another flight option gives me over 3 hours to spare. I do prefer the short connection as it’s on the A350.
Thanks.
i am plannig on a LHR-HEL-SFO in July all on AY metal.
Just a bit confused about which path I take on arrival as (it’s a 65 minute connection as oreference) U.K. is obviously non Schengen but does the SFO flight depart from Schengen or non Schengen gates?
If the latter then I don’t have to clear passport control or security (as U.K. is on the ‘clean’ list in the wiki) but if the formerly then it’s both. Have I read that right?
I assume as OW Emerald I’ll be able to use the premium lounge which shoukd be open by then. May not have anytime though another flight option gives me over 3 hours to spare. I do prefer the short connection as it’s on the A350.
Thanks.
In another thread there was some discrepancies about access to the premium lounge being modified so we'll need to wait and see.
Jan 30, 2019, 3:06 pm
#551
Join Date: May 2012
Location: LAX
Programs: DL, UA
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Posted in another thread.. but currently booked at 55 mins layover on TXL-HEL-HKG - is this enough time? Worst case we could hopefully catch the midnight dept. to HK if we mis-connected... I know we will have to get through PP control. USA passports. Is it likely we will arrive at a bus gate and be unloaded that way? Traveling in J class for what it's worth..
Starting to feel nervous about the tight layover!
Starting to feel nervous about the tight layover!
Last edited by nw6338; Jan 30, 2019 at 3:20 pm
Jan 30, 2019, 3:58 pm
#552
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Under normal circumstances, 55 min will be completely fine. It's impossible to predict stand arrivals and departures, but the good thing is that if lines at passport control are long, you can use the automated gates with a US passport. If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much.
Jan 31, 2019, 2:27 pm
#553
Join Date: May 2012
Location: LAX
Programs: DL, UA
Posts: 421
Under normal circumstances, 55 min will be completely fine. It's impossible to predict stand arrivals and departures, but the good thing is that if lines at passport control are long, you can use the automated gates with a US passport. If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much.
Thanks- great to know. TXL-HEL seems to be pretty close to on-time most days. No re-clearing security TXL-HEL-HKG, right?
Feb 6, 2019, 4:51 am
#555
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Are the e-gates still slow as syrup?
Finavia should send a delegation to CPH. A lot of things are slow here but man, are the egates quick!
Scan, doors open 1 second each
Camera height adjustment 1 sec
Face scan and doors open 1 sec
I was through quicker than it takes for the HEL gates to open the first door!
Finavia should send a delegation to CPH. A lot of things are slow here but man, are the egates quick!
Scan, doors open 1 second each
Camera height adjustment 1 sec
Face scan and doors open 1 sec
I was through quicker than it takes for the HEL gates to open the first door!