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84fiero Feb 15, 2019 8:06 am


Originally Posted by r m a h (Post 30780698)
what alternatives, other than flyertalk of course, do you suggest?

thanks!

Just making a humorous observation! ;) It wasn't clear that you're looking for alternative sites - you may want to start a new thread specifically to make that inquiry.

r m a h Mar 16, 2019 8:55 pm

does anyone know if inside flyer is just ~~d.o.n.e.~~??

thanks!

kokonutz Mar 19, 2019 4:35 am


Originally Posted by r m a h (Post 30895740)
does anyone know if inside flyer is just ~~d.o.n.e.~~??

thanks!

If you are referring to the forums, I just took a look and it seems like the only forum with any activity in the past few months is Newsstand, which is sort of like a Last Man on Earth situation where one poster keeps posting stuff.

r m a h Mar 19, 2019 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 30904326)
If you are referring to the forums, I just took a look and it seems like the only forum with any activity in the past few months is Newsstand, which is sort of like a Last Man on Earth situation where one poster keeps posting stuff.

thanks. i'm referring to the horizontally oriented "news" articles on the home page.

Adam1222 Jan 14, 2020 1:35 pm

Not sure if anyone uses Insideflyer; i just delete the ads that they send to my email. But stopped today to see the announcement that Randy has accepted money from the Qatari government to make "Qatar Airways Privilege Club [] their Official Main Airline Loyalty Partner." Not sure what that means, but can only presume it involves censorship of anything critical of Qatar (the airways or the country) and perhaps some poorly disclosed conflicted "reviews" from the House of Miles.

Way to go Randy! Keep earning that coin!

GUWonder Jan 14, 2020 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 31950224)
Not sure if anyone uses Insideflyer; i just delete the ads that they send to my email. But stopped today to see the announcement that Randy has accepted money from the Qatari government to make "Qatar Airways Privilege Club [] their Official Main Airline Loyalty Partner." Not sure what that means, but can only presume it involves censorship of anything critical of Qatar (the airways or the country) and perhaps some poorly disclosed conflicted "reviews" from the House of Miles.

Way to go Randy! Keep earning that coin!

I can be critical of Qatar outside of Qatar and have no problems from Qatar because of it, even as my verbal criticism of the current Indian government from afar would risk me getting booted from India or beaten up inside India (or both).

When Randy ran this place, I was able to criticize rather freely in his sandbox, even criticize against entities with which he had financial relationships of sorts. I wouldn’t expect his relationship with QR to come with restrictions on forum members criticizing QR and the country.

I give him credit for not being so petty as you suggest.

Adam1222 Jan 14, 2020 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 31950394)
I can be critical of Qatar outside of Qatar and have no problems from Qatar because of it, even as my verbal criticism of the current Indian government from afar would risk me getting booted from India or beaten up inside India (or both).

When Randy ran this place, I was able to criticize rather freely in his sandbox, even criticize against entities with which he had financial relationships of sorts. I wouldn’t expect his relationship with QR to come with restrictions on forum members criticizing QR and the country.

I give him credit for not being so petty as you suggest.

If you took money from the Indian government and then sold products and services sold by the Indian government, your first point would be relevant.

The onus lies on him to divulge the terms of his financial relationship with a travel provider. In an unregulated environment where vague or no disclosures of conflicts predominate, marketers like Randy and his disciples shift the blame onto consumers. Thus, smart consumers have to presume conflicts and unreliability unless someone suggest otherwise. I don't know if there are restrictions on forum members, but I would be surprised if Expertflyer retained free license with respect to "articles."

Again, maybe you're right, but given Randy's role in the proliferation of biased marketing content in the guise of articles, without appropriate disclosures, he does not get the benefit of the doubt from me.

GUWonder Jan 14, 2020 2:45 pm

Who says that I haven’t benefited from Indian government money and haven’t marketed on behalf of Indian government entities’ products and services? My “first point” remains relevant, believe it or not, and I’m still not bought; and I have been given no cause to think that Randy Petersen would be any less tolerant in the face of challenging opinions about his sponsors now than he was before.

Adam1222 Jan 14, 2020 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 31950534)
Who says that I haven’t benefited from Indian government money and haven’t marketed on behalf of Indian government entities’ products and services? My “first point” remains relevant, believe it or not, and I’m still not bought; and I have been given no cause to think that Randy Petersen would be any less tolerant in the face of challenging opinions about his sponsors now than he was before.

Good for you! If I ever get an article from you singing the praises of a Indian government owned company, I'll take that into consideration. Since I haven't yet, it remains irrelevant to me! That some people may remain pure when taking marketing dollars from a company, actual published research shows that is the exception, not the rule. How YOU act under a different set of facts certainly isn't proof that Randy's contract with Qatar Airways does not provide the airline, for example, the ability to review an article before it is published, or a requirement that Randy publish 4 complimentary articles per year on Qatar products.

Again, if you have knowledge as to what terms Randy agreed to, we could put this to bed. I have seen questionable business practices from Randy and the blogs he publishes in the past, so I'm not as trusty as you.

oliver2002 Jan 15, 2020 5:12 am

First test of the partnership: a Qmiles giveaway: https://insideflyer.com/2020/01/insi...100000-qmiles/

That should get some traffic... ;)

As far as the ethics goes... well, QR, QIA and even HIA (the operator of DOH) sponsor a number of things: http://www.sbibarcelona.com/newsdetails/index/439

oliver2002 Jan 15, 2020 5:23 am

The claims in the FFN media kit about their audience is interesting:

http://frequentflyerservices.com/med...-Media-Kit.pdf

Adam1222 Jan 15, 2020 6:18 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31952804)
First test of the partnership: a Qmiles giveaway: https://insideflyer.com/2020/01/insi...100000-qmiles/

That should get some traffic... ;)

As far as the ethics goes... well, QR, QIA and even HIA (the operator of DOH) sponsor a number of things: http://www.sbibarcelona.com/newsdetails/index/439

I don't consider professional sports teams as models of great business practices. Putting aside the particular concerns about getting in bed with a repressive regime, it would be a problem if any airline "sponsored" an outlet that publishes articles about airlines purporting to be informative.

Raffles Jan 15, 2020 8:39 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31952837)
The claims in the FFN media kit about their audience is interesting:

http://frequentflyerservices.com/med...-Media-Kit.pdf

The Inside Flyer one is also interesting:

https://insideflyer.dk/wp-content/up...a-Kit-2019.pdf

My site is doing 10x more monthly page views than IF UK .....

The demographic info in the FFS media kit is almost certainly correct because it is a mirror image of ours, including the income data.

oliver2002 Jan 15, 2020 9:05 am

90-100€ /1k impression... ROFL!! :D

GUWonder Jan 15, 2020 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31953550)
90-100€ /1k impression... ROFL!! :D

It seems a bit high, but the people playing this game also tend to be a bit on the higher income or higher income potential side on average. $125k per year at 29 years of age? That’s not how it works, but it doesn’t take too many people making $300k+ annually to really move the average and median.

And then there may be a tendency for ad money-enablers to push things up or be subject to the kind of tendency of people reporting that they are better off than they really may be. Like people claiming to be middle class and making $1M/year while the person making $40k/year says they are middle class too.


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