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Old Oct 5, 15, 6:00 am
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Good luck in getting this phantom "target market" to even take the time to locate the site and wade through it. I found it because I was a MP subscriber and it suddenly appeared on my MP link. But how do they plan to connect with the "target market" that isn't their old customers? And who besides the airplane/miles junkies is going to take the time to wade through all that "stuff?" Nobody, is my guess. The site is a solution without a need, an answer without a question.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 6:18 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
The "Vegas is my dream trip" crowd and (if even different) "destination wedding/honeymoon" crowds ?
LOL, yep yep.

Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
Irony: MP/IF claims to be more about community and making people comfortable.
Well, it's my humble opinion. But, I also do not feel my personal views are that "mainstream" vis-a-vis what is comfortable or interesting to me.

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Don't laugh too hard...those folks spend a lot of cash. I'd want them as part of my site portfolio. I'm not sure how IF plans to make that happen, but that's a demographic I'd target well ahead of the people willing to drop $4k on LifeMiles.
So many angles to that market. So many angles.

The newbie newbie group. The "they think they know something" group. The "idiotic" non-attention to detail, too much disposable income crowd (includes some retirees). I ask lots and lots and lots of questions. Especially, since a number of hosts I consider good friends. The best info ("too much money crowd") can come about by just listening and being around. The things I have witnessed, make me continuously shake my head. But mostly, because if these people optimized what they did even 10% their entire situation (comp and otherwise) would be so much better. But, sometimes you can't teach 'em. In any event, there are a LOT of people in multiple categories that are yearning for just a little bit more insight.

Casino loyalty market "smarts" and "optimization" has barely been tapped by most of the mainstream travel sites. Also, the amount of mis-information is mind-boggling. Absolutely incredible. I read so much "bad information" I am often in awe.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 6:21 am
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I got easily bored with MP; it seemed shallower than FT. I looked at the IF site. They have about four articles on the landing page, endlessly repeated in different places--same photos, same headline. How to fly Etihad TATL in economy? What do I need to know? Hmmm, select a seat ahead of time, select a special meal, bring a snack. OK something worthwhile--bring an adapter for Etihad's headphones if you want to plug it into your own device. But, but, if I were planning to use my own device wouldn't I have brought my own headphones or earbuds?

Looks like it's geared for newbies, but the problem with newbies is that they don't know to look for this stuff and is a US newbie gonna be flying Etithad anyway?
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Old Oct 5, 15, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
Don't laugh too hard...those folks spend a lot of cash. I'd want them as part of my site portfolio. I'm not sure how IF plans to make that happen, but that's a demographic I'd target well ahead of the people willing to drop $4k on LifeMiles.
I'm not laughing because there isn't money in it. I was amused because the FTer to the topic/location is pretty well informed about Vegas and gambling and someone whom I would turn to if I wanted more info about travel related to that topic.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
Well, there's a whole section of the blog devoted to Cruises now. Maybe CruiseCritic.com is the target.
Was InsideCruiser.com taken or were they too cheap to register s new domain?
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Old Oct 5, 15, 8:55 am
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Does it have to just be one market? What if you were able to attract the 2% and the 98%. It's definitely NOT an easy mission. But, if multiple parties could find value in InsideFlyer that might be a valuable approach.
Hmm... so you are saying they have no specific business case? Surely Gary, Ed, Tommy and Randy sat down and decided what existing product they are going to offer their existing customers/audience, and which new product and new customers/audience they want to capture with the platform...
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Old Oct 5, 15, 9:02 am
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I have heard the fellas say over and over that FlyerTalk only reaches a small segment of travelers and that there is a huge untapped market of travelers out there.

I don't know if that is the basis for a business case, but I suspect that's the audience/product they want to build.

Problem is, that space is damn crowded. It's not 1998 anymore and whatever they come up with they are far from first to market as Randy was back then.

And even then, as I said, the valuable piece of InsideFlyer was FlyerTalk. But he sold that piece. Hence my suspicion that they are slapping the less valuable MilePoint onto a new version of InsideFlyer digital magazine to try to get lightning to strike twice.

But maybe they do have something bigger in mind. I guess we'll see!
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Old Oct 5, 15, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz View Post
The key distinction was that a break-away IBB platform was created by former IB employees once their non-compete expired. That was the value proposition of MP once Randy's non-compete with FlyerTalk was (mostly) expired. Same topics. Same stuff. Different software. The ability to 'like' posts.

The secondary distinction was an ironic, and some say cynical, play. The two people most responsible for FlyerTalk's oft-criticized moderation tone and policy (lack of 'friendliness') as well as the organization of the place were Randy and Gary.

But when they decided to compete against FlyerTalk suddenly they were the biggest critics of the moderation tone and policy as well as the organization of the place. You know, the tone and policy THEY created.

That tactic ultimately failed.

And in the meantime Carol has massively improved FlyerTalk's moderator culture as well as the organization.

I know it's the era of disruptive technologies, but even in this world there is often a lot to be said for 'if it ain't broke don't fix it.'

FlyerTalk dabbles with adaptations, and some stick and become incredibly useful (I'm lookin' at you, thread wikis). But I am glad IB and Carol don't mess with FT too much.

BTW, apropos of nothing, but this is NOT a disruptive new move by IF. More like back to the past. When I first found FlyerTalk in 1998 it was nothing more than a tiny little experiment under the banner of Randy's main online venture: a digital version of his print publication called...well...Inside Flyer. The other apps, bells and whistles were on a site called WebFlyer. Which, afaik, still exists too.

Eventually FlyerTalk took off and IF went away. Until now.
Cool, thanks for filling us in on some of the history, didn't know about all of that! And I agree regarding Carol!

Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
The point of IF, as I understand it, is that it is not for you. If you read Flyertalk, you are not the target market.

Where is the money? Newbies / mainstream. After all, it is hard to make money off a group of people who are ingrained to squeeze out the best deal every time (ie us).

The 'issue' I have, so far, is the Avianca deal. I have never, ever mentioned Avianca on Head for Points because it is not something that I am happy to promote to my, fairly mainstream, audience. I don't want to be responsible if they get burned. It is also a massive jump for a reader who reads me to learn about new Hilton promos to be told to spend thousands buying miles in a foreign FF scheme where the call centre struggles to even speak English.

You can't have it both ways. If they want 'mainstream', they can't be pushing Avianca heavily.

The crux is whether this 'mainstream' market exists in a big way. Let's assume, on made up numbers, that 10 per cent of SkyMiles members take it seriously enough to read FT. The only 90 per cent do not take it seriously at all and have never looked at a frequent flyer website ever. My wife is firmly in this category - she doesn't even read my site :-) The IF model assume that a chunk of this 90 per cent is up for grabs.

I look at 'Business Traveller' magazine as an example. If even a tiny percentage of business travellers gave a toss about business travel as a subject, Business Traveller would be a magazine with GQ-style sales figures. Instead it is a very niche product. How does IF grab the 90 per cent where Business Traveller, over 40 years, has failed?

I go to supermarkets a lot. I don't read any magazines about supermarkets, though, or visit any supermarket focussed websites. If an Inside Flyer style site appeared for the supermarket / grocery sector, I still wouldn't read it.

The other issue, I suppose, is whether the IF team - which is so wholly ingrained in the FF community - can step back enough to understand the mainstream market. What always fascinated me about TPG and MMS is that these guys were not major FlyerTalk participants before starting their sites and did not have any baggage in terms of how they thought about the market.
That's a really good point about the dissonance between the Avianca promo and the target demographic.

I'm skeptical that the "90%" will really materialize as some sort of gigantic new user base for them. It seems like those folks already have plenty of established sources for general travel information, advice, tips. The new site has a long road to go if they want to become a LonelyPlanet, TripAdvisor, Fodors', or whatever beyond just FFPs.

Anecdotally at least, most folks that I know have a bit of interest in this area when I explain how I afford to travel as I do. But the vast majority of them never follow through with exploring the FFP resources or taking me up on offers to help them...instead they go about as they always have and redeem exorbitant amounts of miles for high-level domestic flights and get hotels from Priceline, etc.. Just look at how many one-post-wonders come along here wanting advice for their trip or loyalty program help, and then never show up again even after FT'ers chime in with assistance and follow-up questions.

The other smaller group does end up getting immersed in all this stuff but then if the "gamers" like us aren't the target audience for MPdbaIF, then that's no help to them. Maybe I'm wrong but it really seems like people either fall in love with the FFP world or just barely skim the surface.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
Don't laugh too hard...those folks spend a lot of cash. I'd want them as part of my site portfolio. I'm not sure how IF plans to make that happen, but that's a demographic I'd target well ahead of the people willing to drop $4k on LifeMiles.
How many destination wedding/honeymoons does a person make in a lifetime? 1 maybe 2? Seems to be a small niche market compared to business or general leisure travel.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by 84fiero View Post
TravelCodex was also pimping the offer yesterday. It seems that blogger is the "editor-in-chief" for the revamped site's front page.
Usually a pimp gets a cut. I am not an investor in IF and have no control over the ads, the forum, or partner relationships. I was just trying to share an offer that some people may be interested in.

My only role in IF is to try to manage the content that goes on the front page to make sure it is useful and not duplicated by multiple bloggers. I think all of you can appreciate efforts to avoid duplicate content. As for whether it is useful, that's subjective. My goal is to provide advice to the writers with a light touch.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
Hmm... so you are saying they have no specific business case? Surely Gary, Ed, Tommy and Randy sat down and decided what existing product they are going to offer their existing customers/audience, and which new product and new customers/audience they want to capture with the platform...
I am not saying anything specific. I was being conversational. I have never been one to profess to know about anyone's specific business strategy or goals. I was also just pontificating in a macro sense.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 8:10 pm
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My only role in IF is to try to manage the content that goes on the front page to make sure it is useful and not duplicated by multiple bloggers. I think all of you can appreciate efforts to avoid duplicate content. As for whether it is useful, that's subjective. My goal is to provide advice to the writers with a light touch.
Not without an HT, anyway, amiright!?

Seriously though, good luck!
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Usually a pimp gets a cut. I am not an investor in IF and have no control over the ads, the forum, or partner relationships. I was just trying to share an offer that some people may be interested in.

My only role in IF is to try to manage the content that goes on the front page to make sure it is useful and not duplicated by multiple bloggers. I think all of you can appreciate efforts to avoid duplicate content. As for whether it is useful, that's subjective. My goal is to provide advice to the writers with a light touch.
Ah so you're doing the IF work for free? Very nice of you! ^

Good luck with the new gig. I do like your blog and hope it stays of good quality despite the new demands on your time.

For a more balanced perspective on the Avianca promo:

http://blog.wandr.me/2015/10/a-huge-...orth-skipping/

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Old Oct 5, 15, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by 84fiero View Post
For a more balanced perspective on the Avianca promo:

http://blog.wandr.me/2015/10/a-huge-...orth-skipping/
Randy wrote:

https://insideflyer.com/2015/10/mile...lyer/#comments

"Here’s an example: we simply ran out of time because we were able to secure the LifeMiles promo for our members at the eleventh hour. We really prefer not to have that “notice” on our front page but because of the interest in such a thing (thousands of members already have registered) we did not want to miss passing along something that was exclusive to us."

(Holding added)

I find it hard to believe that there are thousands lining up for the Avianca offer. But obviously I have no insights.
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Old Oct 5, 15, 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by 84fiero View Post
Ah so you're doing the IF work for free? Very nice of you!
I didn't say for free. I said I'm not an investor and that there are many aspects of InsideFlyer that I don't control. The compensation I earn isn't linked to the LifeMiles offer.
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