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freeloader Aug 31, 2013 11:30 am

You cant edit a wiki with a post count that low.

Also, pardon me for being blunt, but I dont think that the blog is well known enough to be included... Just my two cents, but btw one month on FT and 6 weeks(?) as a blog...

I suppose everyone is an expert these days now

HikerT Aug 31, 2013 11:40 am

Aw sweetheart, I'll be happy to add you to the list.

milesforfamily Aug 31, 2013 12:32 pm

@ Freeloader Oh, OK! I wasn't aware of the fact , that you had to have a certain number of posts. It makes sense. BTW I have been a lurker for about 10 years here. Just came out of my hiding. Maybe that was a mistake. Time will tell.
@ HikerT Aw, that's so sweet of you, honey!

freeloader Aug 31, 2013 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by milesforfamily (Post 21368549)
@ Freeloader Oh, OK! I wasn't aware of the fact , that you had to have a certain number of posts. It makes sense. BTW I have been a lurker for about 10 years here. Just came out of my hiding. Maybe that was a mistake. Time will tell.
@ HikerT Aw, that's so sweet of you, honey!

No problem.

It wasnt a mistake to join FT; just wish it would have been sooner. I suppose there is a blog fatigue. If you lurked for 10 years getting info, it would have been beneficial to the whole community if you would have joined and gave back to the community during the last decade.

You see it here now a lot. A lot of long time lurkers only joining to now promote their blog.

Anyhow I hope you stick around long enough on FT to contribute to the community

milesforfamily Aug 31, 2013 1:32 pm

@ Freeloader You make a valid point. Honestly, I wanted to join many times but was scared of the trolls. But now with my blog, the trolls are a given. So I figured might as well go for it.

hobo13 Aug 31, 2013 5:24 pm

Considering the derogatory comments of a personal nature that Ben has allowed to stand, I would be extremely surprised if he edits comments.

(Though I do recall he mentioned that one poster -- 'Frank' -- was now on a blocked list. But even that took about a year!)

oliver2002 Sep 1, 2013 1:41 am

@milesforfamily:
Wiki posts can only be edited by members who have 90 posts and 90 days on FT: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...mbers-593.html
I think you are the first blogger wanting to to be put on the black list ;)

milesforfamily Sep 1, 2013 5:26 am

@ oliver2002 Yeah, I was told that! Looks like one of my fans has added me to the list, though. I'm not that good at IT (actually very bad) to hack into the system. And yes, I censor and I'm darn proud of it!

redtailshark Sep 3, 2013 10:06 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 20608125)
Have you ever been censored in a blog's comment section?

Which blog?

What did you write that got censored?

I have written a few pointed comments on various comment sections but have never had them axed by the blog.

I get censored routinely, on FT and other boards. When you speak truth to power, it's an occupational hazard...and if you believe censorship is the enemy, rather than the offensive comments, then you are obligated to stand up and be counted.

I was censored from DL's own SM blog...not for being profane - at least, not to the rest of the world - not for abusing other posters, but for describing DL SM, in their own words , verbatim, as published many times...

...You know.

:-: best in class :-:

For some reason this phrase - even though it was their own propaganda to be begin with - sends their censors into an absolute frenzy. Jeff hates this, and critics of SM obtain a micro-victory every time they write it.

All Stalinist borgs love censorship and will offer excuses and justifications for any amount of it. The most amusing thing is when one censorious apologist turns on another, and all of a sudden, there's mass outrage...the BA board denizens are notorious for this practice.

milesforfamily Sep 3, 2013 10:30 am

@ Retailshark I actually haven't had to censor yet, but I will, if I have to. Like I said: profanity, attack on my personal appearance, misogyny comments and so forth will not be tolerated. But I don't plan to censor constructive criticism of my blog or writing style. I think it's a fine line and very much in the eye of the beholder. What may not seem offensive to you, might seem inappropriate to the blogger. But as someone, who got censored in the blog comments section (not for profanity,lol), I understand, why its upsetting to you.

hobo13 Sep 6, 2013 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by redtailshark (Post 21381893)
:-: best in class :-:

When I read 'Best in Class'.... I think Delta.

When I hear 'Rah Rah'.... I think Continental.

Maybe a few FTers should start a branding consulting firm!

itsaboutthejourney Sep 8, 2013 11:51 am


Originally Posted by redtailshark (Post 21381893)

I was censored from DL's own SM blog...not for being profane - at least, not to the rest of the world - not for abusing other posters, but for describing DL SM, in their own words , verbatim, as published many times...

...You know.

:-: best in class :-:

For some reason this phrase - even though it was their own propaganda to be begin with - sends their censors into an absolute frenzy. Jeff hates this, and critics of SM obtain a micro-victory every time they write it.

Same here. And the irony is that the deltapoints blog does the exact same thing to people who dare correct information they didn't hear first.

Astrophsx Sep 11, 2013 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by milesforfamily (Post 21382021)
@ Retailshark I actually haven't had to censor yet, but I will, if I have to. Like I said: profanity, attack on my personal appearance, misogyny comments and so forth will not be tolerated. But I don't plan to censor constructive criticism of my blog or writing style. I think it's a fine line and very much in the eye of the beholder. What may not seem offensive to you, might seem inappropriate to the blogger. But as someone, who got censored in the blog comments section (not for profanity,lol), I understand, why its upsetting to you.

Did you have another name/handle on FT before creating 'milesforfamily'?

milesforfamily Sep 13, 2013 9:28 am

@ Astrophsx I did, very shortly before I started my blog. I think I only made a few comments. Can't remember exactly what it was. Wasn't sure how to change it to my blog name, so just got another username. Hope it's not against the rules. I was a lurker for 10 years though.

Astrophsx Sep 13, 2013 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by milesforfamily (Post 21438793)
@ Astrophsx I did, very shortly before I started my blog. I think I only made a few comments. Can't remember exactly what it was. Wasn't sure how to change it to my blog name, so just got another username. Hope it's not against the rules. I was a lurker for 10 years though.

You aren't allowed to have more than one name.

milesmuncher Sep 13, 2013 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by Astrophsx (Post 21440547)
You aren't allowed to have more than one name.

I think we'll all survive.

Astrophsx Sep 13, 2013 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by milesmuncher (Post 21441032)
I think we'll all survive.

Not trying to be rude, someone having a travel blog doesn't entitle them to be above the FT rules.

ma91pmh Sep 13, 2013 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by Astrophsx (Post 21441214)
Not trying to be rude, someone having a travel blog doesn't entitle them to be above the FT rules.

I'd agree with MilesMuncher. You turned FT cop now as a new way of hunting down bloggers? :rolleyes:

milesforfamily Sep 13, 2013 7:11 pm

@Astrophsx I had the other name for literally 3 days, I think. I can't even remember what it was, to be honest. But feel free to report me, it's all good. I'm not trying to be above any rules. In fact I'm a rule follower.

gpapadop Sep 13, 2013 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by ma91pmh (Post 21441416)
I'd agree with MilesMuncher. You turned FT cop now as a new way of hunting down bloggers? :rolleyes:

I was making jokes like this and was threatened with a lawsuit that I was promoting violence. #truestory

ma91pmh Sep 13, 2013 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by gpapadop (Post 21441761)
I was making jokes like this and was threatened with a lawsuit that I was promoting violence. #truestory

there are some great whackos around here lol

SanDiego1K Sep 14, 2013 12:16 am

For any bloggers following along, FlyerTalk rules require that you have just one handle. We have a process for changing handles once during your years on FlyerTalk. Send your request to IBPark. She will make the change and put your former handle under your new one for a period of time that relates to your number of posts. That way you have these benefits:
  • retain your start date on FlyerTalk
  • bring your reputation along from your initial handle

Carol
Community Director

84fiero Sep 15, 2013 8:23 am


Originally Posted by SanDiego1K (Post 21442660)
For any bloggers following along, FlyerTalk rules require that you have just one handle. We have a process for changing handles once during your years on FlyerTalk. Send your request to IBPark. She will make the change and put your former handle under your new one for a period of time that relates to your number of posts. That way you have these benefits:
  • retain your start date on FlyerTalk
  • bring your reputation along from your initial handle

Carol
Community Director

One of the bloggers changed twice.

Astrophsx Sep 22, 2013 2:49 pm

Point Me to the Plane

I posted a comment on this post: http://boardingarea.com/pointmetothe...meridien-nice/

I posted a comment asking why they used screen shots of professional photos when doing a trip report and also noted that the posted photos have data that suggests that they are not recent personal photos (1-2 years old). The comment was censored.

Update:
Comment was posted after a response could be given. Blogger stated that his camera got ruined during the trip and used old and professional photos for reference.

PointMetothePlane Sep 22, 2013 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by Astrophsx (Post 21486468)
Point Me to the Plane

I posted a comment on this post: http://boardingarea.com/pointmetothe...meridien-nice/

I posted a comment asking why they used screen shots of professional photos when doing a trip report and also noted that the posted photos have data that suggests that they are not recent personal photos (1-2 years old). The comment was censored.

@Astrophsx - I've never censored one comment in the history of my blog and continue to not censor ANY comments. If you've never before written on the blog, your comment is displayed as pending until I approve it. Going forward, you will no longer need to wait for approval. This is the case for all BoardingArea blogs. Perhaps you should wait at least 24 hours before labeling someone as censoring???

I have a full-time job and do take some personal time on weekends as well. You posted late on a Saturday night and I was traveling internationally again today. Responding to your post was not my first priority, I apologize. Additionally, the pictures are from my personal stay and i've responded to your comment on the blog. My regular readers already know the circumstances from my past posts including one on this property.

Again, I think giving a blog at least 24 hours to approve a post (these are done manually) would be appropriate going forward.

Raffles Sep 23, 2013 2:59 am

How can taking 24 hours to approve posts be OK? If you are posting daily, then a days delay on approving comments is effectively censoring them anyway, as the story will have dropped off the home page by then.

You can approve a comment in 2 seconds using the WordPress smartphone app.

ma91pmh Sep 23, 2013 4:51 am


Originally Posted by Raffles (Post 21488636)
How can taking 24 hours to approve posts be OK? If you are posting daily, then a days delay on approving comments is effectively censoring them anyway, as the story will have dropped off the home page by then.

You can approve a comment in 2 seconds using the WordPress smartphone app.

That's just ridiculously harsh. Makes you sound like a grumpy old man. Give they guy a break it's not like everyone is on their computers 24/7 like some folks around FT

Raffles Sep 23, 2013 5:26 am


Originally Posted by ma91pmh (Post 21488844)
That's just ridiculously harsh. Makes you sound like a grumpy old man. Give they guy a break it's not like everyone is on their computers 24/7 like some folks around FT

If you're running a blog generating $50,000 - $250,000+ a year in card affiliate revenue and advertising, I don't think its asking too much.

We are not talking about kids running hobby blogs here, we're talking about people running serious businesses who earn far more than the average wage doing so.

A blog is a 24/7 business. I was working on mine on Christmas Day (which in the UK is the equivalent to Thanksgiving in terms of how you should spend the day) plus every day whilst on vacation. I'm getting paid for it so people should get a decent level of service. Although, as I don't censor or approve comments, I only need to 'approve' stuff which Akismet accidentally marks as spam anyway.

oliver2002 Sep 23, 2013 5:28 am


Originally Posted by PointMetothePlane (Post 21487794)
If you've never before written on the blog, your comment is displayed as pending until I approve it. Going forward, you will no longer need to wait for approval. This is the case for all BoardingArea blogs.

I don't think this is the case. If I were you I'd double check with the BA admins why this is happening to your section.

ma91pmh Sep 23, 2013 5:31 am


Originally Posted by Raffles (Post 21488947)
If you're running a blog generating $50,000 - $100,000+ a year in card affiliate revenue and advertising, I don't think its asking too much.

We are not talking about kids running hobby blogs here, we're talking about people running serious businesses who earn far more than the average wage doing so.

A blog is a 24/7 business. I was working on mine on Christmas Day (which in the UK is the equivalent to Thanksgiving in terms of how you should spend the day) plus every day whilst on vacation. I'm getting paid for it so people should get a decent level of service.

Meh, blogs die at the weekend. I'm a hobbyist so the few times I do post it tends to be on a weekend, but I would not care if my comment got stuck in a spam filter until the start of the work week.

I'm a Brit myself. If you choose to work Christmas Day, even Boxing Day, more fool you. Most reasonable people would forgive you for not being available. Maybe not the original complainant here - who as a long history of attacking bloggers - but anyone reasonable.

ma91pmh Sep 23, 2013 5:33 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 21488953)
I don't think this is the case. If I were you I'd double check with the BA admins why this is happening to your section.

I don't know if it's across BA but I have seen this on other BA blogs

oliver2002 Sep 23, 2013 5:52 am


Originally Posted by ma91pmh (Post 21488971)
I don't know if it's across BA but I have seen this on other BA blogs

If it would be intentional policy to queue every comment made by anyone on one of the blog they never posted before it certainly would impede the growth of the newly added BA blogs. Hence I think its a bug, not a feature.

gpapadop Sep 23, 2013 9:12 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 21488953)
I don't think this is the case. If I were you I'd double check with the BA admins why this is happening to your section.

I think BA is blocking me :D

milesforfamily Sep 23, 2013 9:52 am

@ma91pmh You are the voice of reason, my friend. People do have a life, or they should. The other day I found some comments on my blog, that went to spam. They were not spam, but thats what happened. I feel bad, because some people asked questions a long time ago. They probably gave up on my blog, because they thought I don't care. It wasn't intentional.

Astrophsx Sep 23, 2013 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by PointMetothePlane (Post 21487794)
@Astrophsx - I've never censored one comment in the history of my blog and continue to not censor ANY comments. If you've never before written on the blog, your comment is displayed as pending until I approve it. Going forward, you will no longer need to wait for approval. This is the case for all BoardingArea blogs. Perhaps you should wait at least 24 hours before labeling someone as censoring???

I have a full-time job and do take some personal time on weekends as well. You posted late on a Saturday night and I was traveling internationally again today. Responding to your post was not my first priority, I apologize. Additionally, the pictures are from my personal stay and i've responded to your comment on the blog. My regular readers already know the circumstances from my past posts including one on this property.

Again, I think giving a blog at least 24 hours to approve a post (these are done manually) would be appropriate going forward.

I updated my post on here as soon as I saw my comment was posted to let people know that it was not censored.

I'm just curious.. After pointing out to you that the photos from your 9/2013 trip report of the Le Meridien Nice were taken in 2011 (at least that is what the metadata states and the website folder date was for another year), why did you then go back and re-edit the photos and then place them in a new folder? I just think as a reader I would like a blogger to point out when they are using screen shots of professional photos and also using photos that were not obtained on the current stay. I feel it is a bit misleading, and that is why I posted a comment... then posted a comment on here when I noticed that comments from other readers were posted and mine was not.

Unless I've missed a post I haven't seen anything about a broken camera. Maybe it is on a post that has yet to be published?

HikerT Sep 23, 2013 1:12 pm

Kind of ironic that BoardingArea is one of the leaders in delivering content spam but seemingly inept at filtering comment spam.

ma91pmh Sep 23, 2013 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by HikerT (Post 21491441)
Kind of ironic that BoardingArea is one of the leaders in delivering content spam but seemingly inept at filtering comment spam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

GUWonder Sep 24, 2013 3:07 pm

Are some miles and points blogs "censoring" or going to "censor" when there is a claimed/peddled/held "fear" of being pursued for statements that a party or some others may claim is "libelous"? Is that so different from FT?

Raffles Sep 25, 2013 2:55 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 21498446)
Are some miles and points blogs "censoring" or going to "censor" when there is a claimed/peddled/held "fear" of being pursued for statements that a party or some others may claim is "libelous"? Is that so different from FT?

Since tangentially that is aimed at me, I didn't actually need to censor anyone yesterday despite my warning.

However, the UK has the strictest libel laws of any major economy and UK bloggers have no choice but to work around it. Remember there is no 'freedom of speech' defence here.

Until recently, when it was banned, our courts were clogged with foreign claimants suing other foreign publishers for libel, on the grounds that at least 1 copy of the publication had been sold in or posted to the UK. They could not sue in their own courts because their own laws did not hold it defamatory. Overseas publishers stopped selling their titles here or accepting UK subscribers for fear of being sued for an innocuous remark.

GUWonder Sep 25, 2013 4:37 am


Originally Posted by Raffles (Post 21501085)
Since tangentially that is aimed at me, I didn't actually need to censor anyone yesterday despite my warning.

However, the UK has the strictest libel laws of any major economy and UK bloggers have no choice but to work around it. Remember there is no 'freedom of speech' defence here.

Until recently, when it was banned, our courts were clogged with foreign claimants suing other foreign publishers for libel, on the grounds that at least 1 copy of the publication had been sold in or posted to the UK. They could not sue in their own courts because their own laws did not hold it defamatory. Overseas publishers stopped selling their titles here or accepting UK subscribers for fear of being sued for an innocuous remark.

I'm quite familiar with the UK's reputation in that regard and venue shopping in the above-mentioned ways. Libel tourism destination of choice, some would have said.

My post wasn't aimed at your blog, but your blog certainly was somewhere in my mind when my interest in this area got re-ignited enough to spark me into posting. That said, if asking (and answering) a question about the factual history of redacted communication in a different venue is considered "libelous", then that just widens the gap between history and historiography and runs counter to objective discovery. Objective discovery, or attempts at objective discovery, would be considered defamation under UK laws? As I understood it, fair reports of allegations are not generally actionable as it is considered an allowable defense. Did that change with the Defamation Act of 2013, and are there new causes of action? I have some doubt about that.

The reason I posted as I did here was sparked by what I read on FT quite some time back -- something that long precedes this section of FT -- and then indeed what I later read on your blog.

There are other things that are posted on FT and on blogs that may be subject to legal pursuit in some jurisdiction or another on much the same basis or even a separate basis -- "hate 'speech'" kind of things was also one of the two other things that came to my mind earlier. However, that doesn't necessarily lead directly to legal problems even when not having the US 2010 SPEECH Act as shield and sword.


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