EU adopts electronic travel authorizations
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No they don't Airlines don't know my ESTA number. There is no field in APIS to enter it for example.
Airlines transmit the passport number to the US (along with other demographic data) and they get sent back a marker that shows them you have an ESTA which then along with the passport check generates the 'docs ok' on the boarding pass.
Airlines transmit the passport number to the US (along with other demographic data) and they get sent back a marker that shows them you have an ESTA which then along with the passport check generates the 'docs ok' on the boarding pass.
OK, I could have got the number from my online document store, but it would have been a hassle, and I was feeling bloody minded.
Perhaps communication with the US system was down, who knows? But if that were the case, would the airline feel entitled to accept my evidence of compliance with ESTA?
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Which is why it seemed odd when I've been asked for a copy of my ESTA document at check in. It happened only a couple of times (CDG was one place), and the check-in staff backed down when I said it wasn't possible to produce document or number.
OK, I could have got the number from my online document store, but it would have been a hassle, and I was feeling bloody minded.
Perhaps communication with the US system was down, who knows? But if that were the case, would the airline feel entitled to accept my evidence of compliance with ESTA?
OK, I could have got the number from my online document store, but it would have been a hassle, and I was feeling bloody minded.
Perhaps communication with the US system was down, who knows? But if that were the case, would the airline feel entitled to accept my evidence of compliance with ESTA?
Having a printout showing an approved ESTA doesn’t necessarily mean that the ESTA is still approved as valid for use, but airlines have been known to accept the printouts at times. At least when systems are up, the airlines flying to the US get feedback from the USG about whom should be allowed to travel to the US and who shouldn’t. In some cases this feedback to the airline even prevents US citizens, including those with a US passport loaded in the PNR, from being able to fly back to the US — much of that is related to the US no-fly list enforcement, but some of it isn’t.
When ETIAS/connections for ETIAS goes down on one or more side, it may make a mess of the travel and create even worse and slower lines at passport control than is already the case. That’s what has happened at times when US CBP has found some people to have arrived at a US airport of entry without approved ESTAs or if the involved systems for US-bound air travel and arrival processing at airports of entry aren’t working like usual. But it’s even worse when the CBP computers or electricity at an airport aren’t working in the DHS/CBP inspection facility as usual.
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. Take for example the hassles and costs a Swedish-US dual-citizen in Idaho with a current US passport may face in getting a replacement Swedish passport or Swedish national ID card while in the US. Without ETIAS, it’s pretty easy for such person to fly to Scandinavia and get in without seeking an ETIAS or paying an ETIAS fee or any heightened overseas application costs.
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For a US-Swedish dual-citizen already with a valid US passport and ticket to travel from Idaho to the Schengen area but lacking a currently valid Swedish passport, going from Idaho to a place with the equipment to issue a standard full duration Swedish passport isn’t ordinarily as cheap and easy as flying on the US passport to Europe and getting the Swedish passport issued in Sweden. The proportion of Swedish consulates/embassies with Swedish passport-issuing equipment in place year round is much lower now than it was say 20 years ago, and the cost of issuing a passport to applicants outside of Sweden isn’t necessarily the same as for issuing a passport to applicants inside Sweden, with or without a rush.
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You're speaking GUWonder-ese newspeak again. It may well be that in the private lexicon of the GUWonder clan or in some dialect of English that I am unaware of that may be popular in the Swedish community in Idaho "to be hassled" is neutral but in standard English"to be hassled" and "to be inconvenienced" do not have the same connotations. The latter may be neutral but the former certainly is not and is loaded with negative connotations suggesting harassing, pestering, annoying, etc ... This seems to me patently hyperbolic in the context of the current discussion,
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You're speaking GUWonder-ese newspeak again. It may well be that in the private lexicon of the GUWonder clan or in some dialect of English that I am unaware of that may be popular in the Swedish community in Idaho "to be hassled" is neutral but in standard English"to be hassled" and "to be inconvenienced" do not have the same connotations. The latter may be neutral but the former certainly is not and is loaded with negative connotations suggesting harassing, pestering, annoying, etc ... This seems to me patently hyperbolic in the context of the current discussion,
I wasn’t a fan of ESTA having a cost, and I’m not a fan of ETIAS having a cost.
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You did not talk about an increase in cost/time being a hassle. You talked about EU citizens being hassled. "Hassle", as a verb, is not the same thing as "hassle" as a noun. The latter depending on context does not necessary have the same strong negative connotations that the former has and which is, in this context, imo clearly hyperbolic.
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You did not talk about an increase in cost/time being a hassle. You talked about EU citizens being hassled. "Hassle", as a verb, is not the same thing as "hassle" as a noun. The latter depending on context does not necessary have the same strong negative connotations that the former has and which is, in this context, imo clearly hyperbolic.
When automated/self-use kiosk border control went into place in various parts of the EU, it was often said it wouldn’t cause a hassle for any EU citizens. But it too has. ETIAS won’t hassle as many EU citizens, but it will hassle some.
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I note that the link in post #1 (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...ts-regulation/) is now 404ed. Anything odd going on with the EU Council on this matter?
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I note that the link in post #1 (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...ts-regulation/) is now 404ed. Anything odd going on with the EU Council on this matter?
What odd things did you suspect were going on... most likely the server was temporarily down or they moved the web page.
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... going from Idaho to a place with the equipment to issue a standard full duration Swedish passport isn’t ordinarily as cheap and easy as flying on the US passport to Europe and getting the Swedish passport issued in Sweden. The proportion of Swedish consulates/embassies with Swedish passport-issuing equipment in place year round is much lower now than it was say 20 years ago ...