U.S Gateway with the lightest loads?
Sep 27, 2016 | 1:40 pm
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U.S Gateway with the lightest loads?
Anyone have an idea on what U.S. city that EK serves has the lightest loads? Especially in mid January.
I am thinking SEA would be always full as well as SFO. My guess, is DFW, ORD, or IAD might have the lightest loads that time of year.
I am thinking SEA would be always full as well as SFO. My guess, is DFW, ORD, or IAD might have the lightest loads that time of year.
Sep 27, 2016 | 2:51 pm
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Don't know for sure, but my personal experience is DFW (at least in J), which I'm sure is why they downgraded to 777. You might want to consider MCO as well, I've never done that route, but I'm still surprised they run that route. Might be extremely full for all I know.
Sep 28, 2016 | 2:53 am
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Don't know for sure, but my personal experience is DFW (at least in J), which I'm sure is why they downgraded to 777. You might want to consider MCO as well, I've never done that route, but I'm still surprised they run that route. Might be extremely full for all I know.
When I flew to DFW around this time last year there were 12 people in J
Sep 28, 2016 | 5:54 am
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Light loads has no place in EK dictionary.
If seats are empty cargo is full.
If cargo is also empty, yields are great.
Apparently DXB-SEA carries dry fruits and fruit nectar and SEA-DXB carries aircraft spare parts.
Second part is questionable based on how MRO supply chain works. An aircraft part manufacturer based in Japan won't ship all parts to Boeing Seattle to get distributed, they directly go to parts depots located though out the world. I am sure there is a valid explanation.
If seats are empty cargo is full.
If cargo is also empty, yields are great.
Apparently DXB-SEA carries dry fruits and fruit nectar and SEA-DXB carries aircraft spare parts.
Second part is questionable based on how MRO supply chain works. An aircraft part manufacturer based in Japan won't ship all parts to Boeing Seattle to get distributed, they directly go to parts depots located though out the world. I am sure there is a valid explanation.
Sep 28, 2016 | 7:08 am
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Light loads has no place in EK dictionary.
If seats are empty cargo is full.
If cargo is also empty, yields are great.
Apparently DXB-SEA carries dry fruits and fruit nectar and SEA-DXB carries aircraft spare parts.
Second part is questionable based on how MRO supply chain works. An aircraft part manufacturer based in Japan won't ship all parts to Boeing Seattle to get distributed, they directly go to parts depots located though out the world. I am sure there is a valid explanation.
If seats are empty cargo is full.
If cargo is also empty, yields are great.
Apparently DXB-SEA carries dry fruits and fruit nectar and SEA-DXB carries aircraft spare parts.
Second part is questionable based on how MRO supply chain works. An aircraft part manufacturer based in Japan won't ship all parts to Boeing Seattle to get distributed, they directly go to parts depots located though out the world. I am sure there is a valid explanation.
Sep 28, 2016 | 11:18 am
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You responded with some random irrelevant points about EK cargo.
Sep 28, 2016 | 1:04 pm
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Double daily B77W on DXB-SEA without much feeder network is a perfect example of passenger planes hauling mainly cargo.
Of course someone will give an anecdotal example the two days he/she traveled cabin was full.
EY has much better LF than EK on DFW route. AI has much better LF on SFO route. Both have higher fares than EK.
Sep 28, 2016 | 1:28 pm
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Thanks for your info avcritic, as I live in SEA I had no idea that EK transported any of that cargo. Interesting data point.
Last year, around the 13th of January, I took the afternoon SEA-DXB flight and it was about 80% full in Y. On the return (AM flight) it was 100% full, but with an 777-200 not a 300 like the outbound.
Are the 777-200 all being retired?
Last year, around the 13th of January, I took the afternoon SEA-DXB flight and it was about 80% full in Y. On the return (AM flight) it was 100% full, but with an 777-200 not a 300 like the outbound.
Are the 777-200 all being retired?
Last edited by SEA777GUY; Sep 28, 2016 at 1:29 pm Reason: info
Sep 28, 2016 | 11:19 pm
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SEA777GUY, you don't need to listen to internet speculation because the US keeps detailed records of load factors, seat capacities, cargo uplift etc. etc., all available publicly from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics - you want the T-100 data.
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables....Air%20Carriers
The data is in csv form, so once you pull the raw data and put it into Excel, it comes up with, for Jan 2016, for all ex-USA departures, load factors of:
BOS: 63.68%
DFW: 62.79%
IAD: 80.91%
IAH: 66.70%
JFK-DXB: 69.38%
JFK-MXP: 58.98%
LAX: 71.88%
MCO: 85.94%
ORD: 72.81%
SEA: 60.16%
SFO: 75.30%
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables....Air%20Carriers
The data is in csv form, so once you pull the raw data and put it into Excel, it comes up with, for Jan 2016, for all ex-USA departures, load factors of:
BOS: 63.68%
DFW: 62.79%
IAD: 80.91%
IAH: 66.70%
JFK-DXB: 69.38%
JFK-MXP: 58.98%
LAX: 71.88%
MCO: 85.94%
ORD: 72.81%
SEA: 60.16%
SFO: 75.30%
