EL AL Corporate Affairs
Sep 18, 2014, 10:32 am
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EL AL Corporate Affairs
This thread is dedicated to discussion of EL AL Management, corporate policies, financials and other things related more to how EL AL is run and less about the specific hard and soft products and experiences.
Sep 18, 2014, 11:24 am
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This thread is dedicated to discussion of EL AL Management, corporate policies, financials and other things related more to how EL AL is run and less about the specific hard and soft products and experiences.
How about it taking them 3 hours to upgrade and reissue a ticket at the Rotchild TO (which is very nice but a flipping waste of money). This process should be automated and available online.
Sep 21, 2014, 3:13 am
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In all seriousness, how difficult and expensive would it be to completely revamp the website to offer the above service, amongst others, online?
Sep 21, 2014, 10:41 pm
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This thread is really for things that are corporate strategy issues. While a good website is important to that strategy, the idea is higher level issue that are discussed in annual reports and the like.
Oct 3, 2014, 2:53 am
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Interesting article from Foreign Affairs magazine about the Gulf carriers
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...ne/flying-high
While there are clearly a lot of countries that LY couldn't fly to, you wonder whether they couldn't have pursued a similar strategy linking Europe/Asia (or if it's too late to do so).
I think this was the most interesting part:
"Without its shiny new fleets, the UAE would be unable to host real estate conferences, fill its beach resorts, or attract players in its growing financial services sector. Abu Dhabi would struggle to host its Formula 1 races or bring visitors to its Ferrari World theme park. Qatar would have trouble hosting its diplomatic summits involving Hamas and the Taliban, while crews from Doha-based Al Jazeera might find it more difficult to gather news in regional conflict zones.
Further, air travel is a greater necessity in the Gulf than elsewhere. The same geography that provides an advantage for long-haul flights is hostile to overland travel. The Gulf monarchies lie on a long peninsula, hemmed in by sea and sand. Travel is made more difficult by tetchy borders, civil strife, and a lack of rail networks and other land-based options.
Travelers bring their wallets with them, and Dubai, especially, has leveraged its airline to create lucrative side businesses that are anathema to certain Arab sensibilities. It dabbles in the diamond trade, which inevitably links it to Israel. It engages in sea-and-sand tourism, which forces it to host drunken and promiscuous Europeans. And it maintains friendly and extremely profitable trade relations with Iran, despite attracting the umbrage of neighbors and allies. Nearly 10,000 Iranian companies are registered in Dubai, and more than 300 flights a week flow between Dubai and Iran, many of them on Emirates. Outside Tehran, Dubai is arguably the most important city to the Islamic Republic. The U.S. State Department has placed its so-called Iran Regional Presence Office, a mission focused exclusively on the Islamic Republic, in Dubai to capitalize on its role as a regional hub."
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...ne/flying-high
While there are clearly a lot of countries that LY couldn't fly to, you wonder whether they couldn't have pursued a similar strategy linking Europe/Asia (or if it's too late to do so).
I think this was the most interesting part:
"Without its shiny new fleets, the UAE would be unable to host real estate conferences, fill its beach resorts, or attract players in its growing financial services sector. Abu Dhabi would struggle to host its Formula 1 races or bring visitors to its Ferrari World theme park. Qatar would have trouble hosting its diplomatic summits involving Hamas and the Taliban, while crews from Doha-based Al Jazeera might find it more difficult to gather news in regional conflict zones.
Further, air travel is a greater necessity in the Gulf than elsewhere. The same geography that provides an advantage for long-haul flights is hostile to overland travel. The Gulf monarchies lie on a long peninsula, hemmed in by sea and sand. Travel is made more difficult by tetchy borders, civil strife, and a lack of rail networks and other land-based options.
Travelers bring their wallets with them, and Dubai, especially, has leveraged its airline to create lucrative side businesses that are anathema to certain Arab sensibilities. It dabbles in the diamond trade, which inevitably links it to Israel. It engages in sea-and-sand tourism, which forces it to host drunken and promiscuous Europeans. And it maintains friendly and extremely profitable trade relations with Iran, despite attracting the umbrage of neighbors and allies. Nearly 10,000 Iranian companies are registered in Dubai, and more than 300 flights a week flow between Dubai and Iran, many of them on Emirates. Outside Tehran, Dubai is arguably the most important city to the Islamic Republic. The U.S. State Department has placed its so-called Iran Regional Presence Office, a mission focused exclusively on the Islamic Republic, in Dubai to capitalize on its role as a regional hub."
Oct 3, 2014, 9:06 am
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While there are clearly a lot of countries that LY couldn't fly to, you wonder whether they couldn't have pursued a similar strategy linking Europe/Asia (or if it's too late to do so).
First, there's no way that Israel can compete with the Gulf carriers in costs. All the gulf nations subsidize the carriers with cheap financing, a complete lack of worker protection and generally no income tax, so they can pay the staff less, and airports built by slave labor.
Add to that the notion that your capital lies dormant 20% of the time, then you really can't compete. Israel has a stronger, substantially more diverse economy than the Gulf. LY cleaning up their act with what they have to work with would be far smarter than trying to build a huge network.
Oct 25, 2014, 10:24 am
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Capex and Fleet
To open up an oft-repeated discussion here; For those who aren't hanging out with UA and DL...
Delta, for quite some time, has effectively managed an older and aging fleet, often to the heckling of people interested in the newest and shiniest (or plastic-y-est) aircraft. But their results have shown the flexibility and capitol efficiency of maximizing their older airframes.
This past quarter, United began a jump into DL's strategy, buying used 73Gs, and extending the planned service life of their "old" 763ERs.
They obviously did the math and figured that they could make more extending the life of the 763ER's, despite their fuel efficiency difference.
LY has even more reason to do so, given that their aircraft are down 1.5-2 days a week, which makes the balance between capitol and fuel more towards capitol. They need to invest to add lie flat in J to the 767s and 777s, and possibly winglet them, but otherwise, just keep them running, and wait for the next generation to get them 30+% fuel improvement over the current aircraft.
Delta, for quite some time, has effectively managed an older and aging fleet, often to the heckling of people interested in the newest and shiniest (or plastic-y-est) aircraft. But their results have shown the flexibility and capitol efficiency of maximizing their older airframes.
This past quarter, United began a jump into DL's strategy, buying used 73Gs, and extending the planned service life of their "old" 763ERs.
They obviously did the math and figured that they could make more extending the life of the 763ER's, despite their fuel efficiency difference.
LY has even more reason to do so, given that their aircraft are down 1.5-2 days a week, which makes the balance between capitol and fuel more towards capitol. They need to invest to add lie flat in J to the 767s and 777s, and possibly winglet them, but otherwise, just keep them running, and wait for the next generation to get them 30+% fuel improvement over the current aircraft.
Oct 25, 2014, 1:47 pm
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Hi,
Totally agree with you as far as F/C upgrades are concerned.
Regarding Y - This really comes down to a clash of philosophies. While some people regard these upgrades as necessary, there is an entire thought of school that will point you to the success of TK/EZY/RJ and tell you that the one and only thing the Israeli customer cares about is getting the lowest price possible, no matter what. (Which is a legitimate point of view, but also quite entertaining, concerning how much money TK pumps into their hard and soft product.)
While the Y seats are actually still competitive IMHO, getting DreamStream on the entire fleet, and getting rid of all built-in screens should be a no-brainer at this point.)
Chodesh Tov!
Totally agree with you as far as F/C upgrades are concerned.
Regarding Y - This really comes down to a clash of philosophies. While some people regard these upgrades as necessary, there is an entire thought of school that will point you to the success of TK/EZY/RJ and tell you that the one and only thing the Israeli customer cares about is getting the lowest price possible, no matter what. (Which is a legitimate point of view, but also quite entertaining, concerning how much money TK pumps into their hard and soft product.)
While the Y seats are actually still competitive IMHO, getting DreamStream on the entire fleet, and getting rid of all built-in screens should be a no-brainer at this point.)
Chodesh Tov!
Oct 26, 2014, 2:41 pm
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At this point it would be so cheap and easy to rent passengers a 9" android tablet for the "Dreamstream" for the ones that don't bring their own device. I don't understand why they don't do it.
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The 'cheap' airline stock that beat world peers with a 350% rally
The stock has increased four-fold in the past year to outperform every one of its global peers. Psagot Investment House Ltd., Israel’s largest money manager, says the shares may rise at least a further 50 per cent as Israelis take advantage of their increased purchasing power. The number of people taking trips abroad has risen 15 per cent so far this year, according to the Jerusalem-based Central Bureau of Statistics.
El Al “finds itself in an excellent financial position,” Noam Pincu, a Tel Aviv-based Psagot analyst with a buy rating on the “very cheap” stock, said in a note. “The company has an advantage in that it’s Israel’s leading airline, and in our assessment, the Israeli market is expected to grow faster relative to the world.”
It has since settled a labour dispute, upgraded its fleet with nine Boeing Co. Dreamliners and plans to fit jets with an anti-missile laser platform to bolster its reputation as one of the world’s safest airlines. No El Al plane has been hijacked since 1968. Even with increased competition, the carrier has managed to maintain a 30-per-cent share of Ben Gurion airport’s passenger travel, according to El Al’s financial reports.
Globe and mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle27919757/
The stock has increased four-fold in the past year to outperform every one of its global peers. Psagot Investment House Ltd., Israel’s largest money manager, says the shares may rise at least a further 50 per cent as Israelis take advantage of their increased purchasing power. The number of people taking trips abroad has risen 15 per cent so far this year, according to the Jerusalem-based Central Bureau of Statistics.
El Al “finds itself in an excellent financial position,” Noam Pincu, a Tel Aviv-based Psagot analyst with a buy rating on the “very cheap” stock, said in a note. “The company has an advantage in that it’s Israel’s leading airline, and in our assessment, the Israeli market is expected to grow faster relative to the world.”
It has since settled a labour dispute, upgraded its fleet with nine Boeing Co. Dreamliners and plans to fit jets with an anti-missile laser platform to bolster its reputation as one of the world’s safest airlines. No El Al plane has been hijacked since 1968. Even with increased competition, the carrier has managed to maintain a 30-per-cent share of Ben Gurion airport’s passenger travel, according to El Al’s financial reports.
Globe and mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle27919757/