Got an alert from FlightRadar24 that LY353 TLV-MUC operated by 737-800 4X-EKA has declared emergency and looks like it's diverting to SOF as I type.

Could be medical, I guess, but the emergency was declared less than 2h into the flight.

Ynet now reporting the diversion is due to an unruly passenger.

Hebrew:
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4527078,00.html

Bad luck.

In English:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-f...-attacks-crew/

It sounds like a passenger became violent.

Why didn't on board security personnel simply restrain this person for the rest of the flight to MUC? After reading the articles one can reasonable infer that there may not have been any sky marshalls on board this particular flight.

You sure have great knowledge of El Als operations for somebody who is looking to buy the company and claims the current management is failing because it doesn't understand the aviation industry...

I won't go into operational details, but suffice to say that with any airline on earth, including El Al for the matter of the fact, the procedure for an unruly passenger is very simple:
1. Knock out the bad guy
2. "store" him in his seat in such a way that he can't do any further harm
3. Get the plane on the ground as soon as possible and get rid of him.

If you find a way to blame this on Mrs. Borovitch and to show us how the business plan you submitted to her would have avoided this - go for it. In the meantime, let's stick to the facts

https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourc...erald%20unruly

I don't know how to translate it:
סייג לחוכמה שתיקה
Sayag le' chochma shtika.

You seem to be unable to distinguish between management ineptitude, operations management, and security, all of which are different aspects to EL AL's operations, and while intersecting to produce the EL AL product, are entirely different things.

I am not the only one claiming the management is failing to understand the aviation industry. There are a plethora of articles not only claiming this point but now some are calling for EL AL's bankruptcy and reconstitution. Are you trying to claim the opposite, namely that EL AL's management is competent and the company is well run?

Also, asking a simple question in reference to EL AL security pertaining to a recently publicized and highly humiliating event for an airline that touts itself as the most secure in the world is neither an indicator of "great knowledge" of EL AL's operations or lack thereof, particularly when security is different from operations management.

Are you now claiming to be an aviation security expert? Also, if EL AL's security options in an event like this are no different than that from any airline in the world, then explain how can anyone regard EL AL as the safest airline in the world, security wise? Isn't the whole mystique around EL AL security indicative that EL AL has more options than other airlines in dealing with security situations?

Who said anything about Mrs. Borovich? Did I ever mention Borovich in conjunction with this situation? No, and again you seem to be combining different extraneous (to this topic at hand) issues together for the purpose of confusion and trying to ascribe words to me that I never mentioned for some sort of a personal agenda.

All I did was ASK a simple question as to why the a/c had to land in SOF rather than proceed to its final destination (which is not that far away) if EL AL security had (or should have had) the situation under control. Afterall, one of EL AL's advertising points is it's security and the Israeli government pays for it. Certainly, given EL AL's reputation as the most secure airline in the world, one would think that an EL AL flight would not have to make a financially costly unscheduled landing due to an unruly passenger because on board security would have handled the situation. Consequently, based on deductive reasoning one can reasonably ask whether EL AL is becoming lax when it comes to security (as they seem to be when it comes to m/x).

Since you've sort of indicated knowledge/expertise in aviation security, let's hear your answer.

Also, if you did not like my pondering whether EL AL even had security personnel on board this particular flight you could have voiced your own opinion on the issue or even objecting to my raising such a point without personalization and bringing in numerous extraneous topics in a discourse dysfunctional manner. But alas, it seems you have an agenda.

Perhaps you ought to consider adopting that phrase.

Silence amid organizational ineptitude and negligence is neither wise nor does it ever lead to a good result.

Please stick to the facts about the incident rather than bringing in other topics which are not relevant.

Thanks,
yosithezet
Moderator, EL AL Forum

I wonder - is this always the procedure? I was on a plane to EWR and we had an unruly passenger over the Atlantic. This happened twice. Once, we continued to EWR where we were met by the FBI and once we stopped in some Canadian airport (I presume the closest available). Neither was medical. They were both drunk and started shouting and stuff. I did (and still do) wonder how the pilots make their decision as in both cases, the passengers were already subdued.

I assume the unruly passenger was not Bulgarian. Kick him off the plane in Bulgaria and let him fend for himself. Seems an apt punishment to me.

Nothing against Bulgaria. It's a lovely country.

I deleted several posts which were not about the specific incident. Enough. Stick to the topic of the thread.

Better yet, have skymarshalls on board (assuming there were any) restrain the passenger and let the flight continue on to MUC, which was not that far away. An unscheduled landing is not only very disruptive to the pax on board, but it is very costly to the airline, and given EL AL's financial situation, it cannot really afford these sorts of diversions.

Sure. I realize that. I'm saying that being stranded in Bulgaria and having to fend for himself there was probably something this guy never expected would happen.

Cool. And now for the facts:
http://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/...8e43f4e02.html

Turns out the guy claimed to have a bomb on board, threatened to blow the plane up, and was restrained by the sky marshalls (who you claimed were not on board, although every child is aware of their presence on Israeli a/c).

So go ahead, keep on yapping about how El Al is getting lax on security... I'm sure you will nevertheless find a way to make this fit into the narrative that you have been repeating over and over again on this board in the past few months.