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LY777 Feb 12, 2012 11:01 am

El Al fleet update
 
I think we should summarize in this thread news concerning LY fleet.

- November 2011: LY adds winglets to their first 738, 4X-EKA
- January 2012: "new" 763 4X-EAM enters service
- Feb 2012: 4X-EAL (763) re-enters service

joshwex90 Feb 12, 2012 11:08 am

I was just about to start a thread!
 
Do we have a solid list of which 737s, (both 73G and 738, as well as eventually 73E) are in fleet, 757s, 767s, 777s, and 747s? Some have been retired, therefore I ask.

Also, which are painted in full livery?
Which have winglets?
Which are slated for retirement?
Which are leased?
How many of what variants are on order?
Which have what version of IFE and in-flight power?

LY777 Feb 12, 2012 12:56 pm

El Al PAX fleet details
 
2 Boeing 737-700s: both in full colours
- 4X-EKD: all Y, for Eilat flights
- 4X-EKE

12 Boeing 737-800s: all in full LY colours
- 4X-EKA with WINGLETS (retrofit)
- 4X-EKB
- 4X-EKC
- 4X-EKF (Winglets=W)
- 4X-EKH (W)
- 4X-EKI
- 4X-EKJ (W)
- 4X-EKL (W)
- 4X-EKO (W)
- 4X-EKP (W)
- 4X-EKS (W)
- 4X-EKT (W)

2 Boeing 757-200s: both in full colours
- 4X-EBU
- 4X-EBV

2 Boeing 767-200ERs: in full colours
- 4X-EAE
- 4X-EAF

6 Boeing 767-300ERs:
- 4X-EAJ (partial colours)
- 4X-EAK (partial colours)
- 4X-EAL (partial colours)
- 4X-EAM (full colours)
- 4X-EAP (full colours)
- 4X-EAR (full colours)

6 Boeing 747-400s:
- 4X-ELA (full colours) regular PTVs
- 4X-ELB (full colours) regular PTVs
- 4X-ELC (full colours) regular PTVs
- 4X-ELD (full colours) regular PTVs
- 4X-ELE (partial colours) PTVs with AVOD
- 4X-ELH (partial colours) regular PTVs (AVOD in C)

6 Boeing 777-200ERs: all in full colours
- 4X-ECA: regular PTVs
- 4X-ECB: regular PTVs
- 4X-ECC: regular PTVs
- 4X-ECD: regular PTVs (basic AVOD in C and F)
- 4X-ECE: PTVs with AVOD- mood lights
- 4X-ECF: PTVs with AVOD- mood lights


Aircraft on order:
4 Boeing 737-900ERs with Sky Interior (plus 2 options)

joshwex90 Feb 12, 2012 1:43 pm

Does this include previous Sun D'Or fleet? Also, no 744s with AVOD outside of ELE and ELH? And doesn't ELE only have AVOD in F/C? No other 772s with AVOD?

Finally, with 738s, I assume "Winglets Retrofit", "WINGLETS," and "W" all mean the same thing?

Thanks so much!

LY777 Feb 12, 2012 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 18001294)
Does this include previous Sun D'Or fleet? Also, no 744s with AVOD outside of ELE and ELH? And doesn't ELE only have AVOD in F/C? No other 772s with AVOD?

Finally, with 738s, I assume "Winglets Retrofit", "WINGLETS," and "W" all mean the same thing?

Thanks so much!

ELE has AVOD from nose to tail.
ELH has no PTVs at all in the first Y section (in the nose of the 744)
ECD has a very basic AVOD in C and F

For 738s:
Winglets= W
Winglets retrofit means that the a/c was delivered with no winglets but that the winglets were added later. (EKA recieved its winglets in Nov 2011, 12 years after delivery)

joshwex90 Feb 12, 2012 3:10 pm

Does ELE have buggy AVOD in F/C, or throughout?
ELH - AVOD on UD, no PTVs in the nose, regular PTVs throughout the rest of Y?

LY777 Feb 13, 2012 6:02 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 18001799)
Does ELE have buggy AVOD in F/C, or throughout?

Sorry, what does "buggy" mean?


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 18001799)
ELH - AVOD on UD, no PTVs in the nose, regular PTVs throughout the rest of Y?

Right

joshwex90 Feb 13, 2012 6:06 am


Originally Posted by LY777 (Post 18005145)
Sorry, what does "buggy" mean?

Causes problems

LY777 Feb 13, 2012 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 18005155)
Causes problems

Ok, LOL. As I said, ELE has AVOD from nose to tail (in all classes)

may_east Feb 13, 2012 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by LY777 (Post 18007868)
Ok, LOL. As I said, ELE has AVOD from nose to tail (in all classes)

the avod on ELE (ex. singapore airlines) has such old movies and shows.
i've watched RAMZON 10 times already. nothing decent to watch.

N830MH Feb 13, 2012 11:40 pm

How about LY will orders more 777, 787, 747-8I or A380? Can LY will have beef up more specific new route and more brand new aircraft, too. It's time to step forward to replacing the older 762ER, 744 aircraft.

How about order 20 more new 737-8MAX or 737-9MAX? It's time to bring more new frequencies from TLV hub.

joshwex90 Feb 14, 2012 1:31 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 18011353)
How about LY will orders more 777, 787, 747-8I or A380? Can LY will have beef up more specific new route and more brand new aircraft, too. It's time to step forward to replacing the older 762ER, 744 aircraft.

How about order 20 more new 737-8MAX or 737-9MAX? It's time to bring more new frequencies from TLV hub.

EL AL has no need for the A380. They had a bunch of orders for 787s (I believe 787-8s, though there might've been some for 787-9s,) but they shockingly and unexpectedly canceled those orders. Your guess is as good as our's why they canceled them. 787s would've been great for LY, and they could've gotten rid of their whole 767 fleet.
Regarding 748, I was (and still am) hoping to see some orders to replace the aging 744s. They could've had brand new planes, larger capacity, more fuel efficient, and could've installed new F and C seats, and new IFE systems. Instead, they're sticking to their guns with 744s, crappy F, crappy C, crappy IFE, no overhauls, a 16 year old 744 that they recently purchased (why, God likely doesn't know,) which doesn't even have F, no IFE in the nose for Y...

I'd love to see 6 or more 748s, a couple more 772s (or maybe 773s to do the EWR route to have a consistent plane, as opposed to switching off between 772 and 744,) ad 787s as their wide-body fleet. All with AVOD, nose-to-tail power, true F, and competitive C.
For the narrow-body fleet, they have a bunch of orders for 737-900ERs, so I can't fault them too much for that. And I must admit that they have the best C product for the narrow-body fleet, not like most European carriers (BA, LH, LX, to name a few) that simply block the middle seat, barely (if ever) have extra legroom, no IFE...

Shimon Feb 14, 2012 6:22 pm

My bet is they have a secret order for the Airbus 350 and don't want Boeing to know about or the airline is being managed by sheep. Take your pick.

joshwex90 Feb 14, 2012 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by Shimon (Post 18016650)
My bet is they have a secret order for the Airbus 350 and don't want Boeing to know about or the airline is being managed by sheep. Take your pick.

There's my quite educated guess, and my very real hope. They are NOT the same thing :(

2035 Feb 25, 2012 1:16 pm

According to the latest (Feb) edition of Atmosphere (LY inflight magazine, p73) there is a VOD system on the following planes
ECA, ECD, ECE, ECF, ELH, ELE.
If that is incorrect, maybe the LY rep can respond?


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