Consolidated "Pellegrino World's Best Restaurants" thread
Apr 30, 2013, 8:26 am
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Pellegrino's top 100 restaurants for 2013
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddr...0-in-full.html
Any thoughts on Pellegrino's new top 100 restaurants list? Don't miss the Telegraph's review of the Fat Duck. Classic
Any thoughts on Pellegrino's new top 100 restaurants list? Don't miss the Telegraph's review of the Fat Duck. Classic
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May 17, 2013, 3:16 am
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddr...0-in-full.html
Any thoughts on Pellegrino's new top 100 restaurants list? Don't miss the Telegraph's review of the Fat Duck. Classic
Any thoughts on Pellegrino's new top 100 restaurants list? Don't miss the Telegraph's review of the Fat Duck. Classic
Jun 14, 2016, 1:34 am
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New 2016 Pellegrino 'World's Best Restaurants List'
http://www.theworlds50best.com/
New Pellegrino list out. Osteria Francescana came out on top this year.
New Pellegrino list out. Osteria Francescana came out on top this year.
Jun 14, 2016, 1:56 am
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Congratulations to Joshua Skennes, whose Saison in San Francisco leapt from 56 last year to 27 this year.
Jun 15, 2016, 11:05 am
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This list continues to more accurately (if not perfectly) reflect the best restaurants in the world--far better and with far more range and modern global taste than Michelin.
In the year's I've followed this list, I've only been disappointed 4 times:
(1) St. John in London--horribly overrated, and has slid to #91.
(2) Dinner by Heston Blumenthal in London--overrated, and has slid to #45 (from top 5).
(3) Malabar in Lima--very good but not outstanding, and has slid off the world top 100 list but still appears in the Latin American top 50 as is appropriate.
(4) Daniel--outstanding food but disappointing wine pairings/service.
On the other hand, I've eaten at many restaurants before they appeared or rose to new heights on this list...and watched the list reinforce my appreciation:
(1) Geranium--ate here before and after it debuted and believed it to be nearly as impressive as Noma (but in different style). Now at #28...and will rise even higher IMO.
(2) Central--ate here before it debuted at #50 a few years ago (along with #14 ranked Astrid y Gaston at the time) and I knew this was one of the world's best too. Now it's #4. I got this one right!
(3) Noma--ate here when ranked #1 and still is one of the best meals ever for me. But Geranium also impressed me as much, which is how I know Geranium can still rise.
(4) Quintonil--ate here last year when ranked in the Latin American list...and knew it was special. (But I liked Biko more!)
(5) The Ledbury--ate here a few times when it was in the 70s. My favorite restaurant in London, and its ranking up to #14 reinforces I wasn't wrong. Back this October and can't wait (along with The Clove Club, which I booked before its debut here too!).
(6) Alinea--this is undoubtedly one of the most crazy and incredible dining experiences I've ever had. It's certainly among the top 10 or 20 restaurants int he world, and I seriously doubt that will change any time soon.
(7) Amber--we chose this over Caprice and dined here the night after Lung King Heen (3 Michelin stars) which slightly disappointed us. This was the place that we remember in Hong Kong, and it was a fabulous dinner. Turns out the list agrees.
(8) The Test Kitchen--I've wanted to dine here ever since it opened, and I finally got my chance in Jan 2015. What a meal. I still believe this place will rise to the top 10-15, it's that good.
(9) Le Bernadin--my favorite top restaurant in NYC, since I have yet to dine at EMP. Never had anything less than a stupendous meal here.
(10) Pujol--as amazing as everyone says. I'm a little surprised to see it drop to the 30s, but this likely has more to do with other new restaurants pushing it down and other very good restaurants slightly improving as well. Still an amazing restaurant.
(11) Saison--this was the best meal we've had in SF city, though I'd put Meadowood up with it, too. Not surprised to see it rise so quickly to #27.
(12) Astrid y Gaston--this was our first Lima world experience and it was amazing. Loved it as much as Central, but thought Central was a bit more modern and inventive, which this list rewards.
(13) Le Calandre--going in October. Can't wait.
(14) Relae--this debuted a few yrs ago in the 50s and has hovered in the 40s, now at #40. I'd say this is about right. It was outstanding and more relaxed than Noma or Geranium while being crazy inventive and simple at the same time.
(15) Biko--this actually was my favorite among Quintonil and Pujul, which is saying something! At #43, it still could rise higher IMO.
(16) Mikla--we dined here just a year ago after some research and were amazed at how good it was...along with how amazing its fine but unremarkable Turkish wine pairings matched the meal! It was our favorite in Istanbul by a mile. Now it debuts at #56. We got this right too.
(17) Alain Ducasse Plaza Athenee--a fantastic restaurant.But I still prefer Guy Savoy and am stunned that it hasn't made the list to be honest.
(18) Meadowood--this has been our Napa staple for years, as we far prefer it to the French Laundry which has become stale and boring for years IMO. The list reflects this. Meadowood is nearly as good as Saison for us, so we expect this to rise significantly as people stop assuming FL is the star here.
(19) La Colombe--it's nice to see this place rebound! It was amazing for our first trip in 2003, then dropped off the list as its team departed and it tried to find its place. Now the new team has it right as we discovered in Jan 2015. Back at #76 and could climb even higher.
(20) L'Atelier St Germain de Joel Robuchon--amazing...and still worthy of the list. There is so much new competition, though...
(21) Manresa--going in December!
(22) French Laundry--this used to be amazing, then Keller opened Per Se and this got stale IMO. It might not be on the list in a year or two, if voters were brave enough to piss Keller off.
(23) India Accent--going in Jan 2017! Can't wait...along with Bukhara which has potential to make the list, too.
(24) Benu--went here last year and were very impressed. This restaurant has it all..and will rise to the top 50 or so for sure.
My biggest surprises remain that Guy Savoy isn't on the list...and that St. John is.
In the year's I've followed this list, I've only been disappointed 4 times:
(1) St. John in London--horribly overrated, and has slid to #91.
(2) Dinner by Heston Blumenthal in London--overrated, and has slid to #45 (from top 5).
(3) Malabar in Lima--very good but not outstanding, and has slid off the world top 100 list but still appears in the Latin American top 50 as is appropriate.
(4) Daniel--outstanding food but disappointing wine pairings/service.
On the other hand, I've eaten at many restaurants before they appeared or rose to new heights on this list...and watched the list reinforce my appreciation:
(1) Geranium--ate here before and after it debuted and believed it to be nearly as impressive as Noma (but in different style). Now at #28...and will rise even higher IMO.
(2) Central--ate here before it debuted at #50 a few years ago (along with #14 ranked Astrid y Gaston at the time) and I knew this was one of the world's best too. Now it's #4. I got this one right!
(3) Noma--ate here when ranked #1 and still is one of the best meals ever for me. But Geranium also impressed me as much, which is how I know Geranium can still rise.
(4) Quintonil--ate here last year when ranked in the Latin American list...and knew it was special. (But I liked Biko more!)
(5) The Ledbury--ate here a few times when it was in the 70s. My favorite restaurant in London, and its ranking up to #14 reinforces I wasn't wrong. Back this October and can't wait (along with The Clove Club, which I booked before its debut here too!).
(6) Alinea--this is undoubtedly one of the most crazy and incredible dining experiences I've ever had. It's certainly among the top 10 or 20 restaurants int he world, and I seriously doubt that will change any time soon.
(7) Amber--we chose this over Caprice and dined here the night after Lung King Heen (3 Michelin stars) which slightly disappointed us. This was the place that we remember in Hong Kong, and it was a fabulous dinner. Turns out the list agrees.
(8) The Test Kitchen--I've wanted to dine here ever since it opened, and I finally got my chance in Jan 2015. What a meal. I still believe this place will rise to the top 10-15, it's that good.
(9) Le Bernadin--my favorite top restaurant in NYC, since I have yet to dine at EMP. Never had anything less than a stupendous meal here.
(10) Pujol--as amazing as everyone says. I'm a little surprised to see it drop to the 30s, but this likely has more to do with other new restaurants pushing it down and other very good restaurants slightly improving as well. Still an amazing restaurant.
(11) Saison--this was the best meal we've had in SF city, though I'd put Meadowood up with it, too. Not surprised to see it rise so quickly to #27.
(12) Astrid y Gaston--this was our first Lima world experience and it was amazing. Loved it as much as Central, but thought Central was a bit more modern and inventive, which this list rewards.
(13) Le Calandre--going in October. Can't wait.
(14) Relae--this debuted a few yrs ago in the 50s and has hovered in the 40s, now at #40. I'd say this is about right. It was outstanding and more relaxed than Noma or Geranium while being crazy inventive and simple at the same time.
(15) Biko--this actually was my favorite among Quintonil and Pujul, which is saying something! At #43, it still could rise higher IMO.
(16) Mikla--we dined here just a year ago after some research and were amazed at how good it was...along with how amazing its fine but unremarkable Turkish wine pairings matched the meal! It was our favorite in Istanbul by a mile. Now it debuts at #56. We got this right too.
(17) Alain Ducasse Plaza Athenee--a fantastic restaurant.But I still prefer Guy Savoy and am stunned that it hasn't made the list to be honest.
(18) Meadowood--this has been our Napa staple for years, as we far prefer it to the French Laundry which has become stale and boring for years IMO. The list reflects this. Meadowood is nearly as good as Saison for us, so we expect this to rise significantly as people stop assuming FL is the star here.
(19) La Colombe--it's nice to see this place rebound! It was amazing for our first trip in 2003, then dropped off the list as its team departed and it tried to find its place. Now the new team has it right as we discovered in Jan 2015. Back at #76 and could climb even higher.
(20) L'Atelier St Germain de Joel Robuchon--amazing...and still worthy of the list. There is so much new competition, though...
(21) Manresa--going in December!
(22) French Laundry--this used to be amazing, then Keller opened Per Se and this got stale IMO. It might not be on the list in a year or two, if voters were brave enough to piss Keller off.
(23) India Accent--going in Jan 2017! Can't wait...along with Bukhara which has potential to make the list, too.
(24) Benu--went here last year and were very impressed. This restaurant has it all..and will rise to the top 50 or so for sure.
My biggest surprises remain that Guy Savoy isn't on the list...and that St. John is.
Jun 15, 2016, 12:16 pm
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I'm going to try Le Calandre again this September. It just didn't grab me the first time around, but you never know, maybe nothing would have grabbed me that day. Some days are like that
I'm surprised that Schloss Berg/Victor's Gourmet Restaurant in Nennig is not on the list somewhere, especially when places like St. John's are. Just no comparison whatsoever.
I'm surprised that Schloss Berg/Victor's Gourmet Restaurant in Nennig is not on the list somewhere, especially when places like St. John's are. Just no comparison whatsoever.
Jun 15, 2016, 4:16 pm
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bhrubin - have you been to Atelier Crenn?
The demotion of Per Se from 4 to 2 stars in the NY Times was a clarion notice of Keller's drift. And the best thing about the French Laundry seems to be the training of good young chefs, like Tim Hollingsworth, now at Otium in downtown LA.
The demotion of Per Se from 4 to 2 stars in the NY Times was a clarion notice of Keller's drift. And the best thing about the French Laundry seems to be the training of good young chefs, like Tim Hollingsworth, now at Otium in downtown LA.
Jun 15, 2016, 4:22 pm
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Do keep in mind that it's impossible to add all the amazing restaurants. But Crenn is an obvious oversight perhaps because of misogyny in the professional world of chefs--both for not getting an obviously deserved 3rd star and for not yet making this list. I strongly suspect that will change in a year or two (at least with this list...not as much for Michelin!).
Jun 16, 2016, 5:43 am
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After looking into Grace, 42 grams and Acadia, a reservation was placed at the latter. Can't wait ^
Jun 16, 2016, 7:08 am
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We actually were at Atelier Crenn last Dec. and you're right--that's another omission (which I suspect will eventually find its way onto the list in a year or two). We definitely felt like the meal was 3 star quality and incredibly inventive...but without the dining room fussiness. We even had a nice chat with Dame Dominique, herself. Do keep in mind that it's impossible to add all the amazing restaurants. But Crenn is an obvious oversight perhaps because of misogyny in the professional world of chefs--both for not getting an obviously deserved 3rd star and for not yet making this list. I strongly suspect that will change in a year or two (at least with this list...not as much for Michelin!).
I wanted to place a reservation at Alinea this summer for a party of five - only to be left baffled with the fact that they don't accept odd number reservations at all. The so-called explanation for this (besides the fact that they *can*, without any prospect of losing too much business) is that you don't reserve a number of seats, you reserve a table. A table designated for 2, 4 or 6 people. After looking into Grace, 42 grams and Acadia, a reservation was placed at the latter. Can't wait ^
They only sell tickets per table, hence 2, 4 or 6. The tickets are transferrable; as a party of 5, you have the option of buying tickets for 6, then selling the sixth on an open market, or simply writing off the cost.
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Jun 16, 2016, 10:43 am
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I wanted to place a reservation at Alinea this summer for a party of five - only to be left baffled with the fact that they don't accept odd number reservations at all. The so-called explanation for this (besides the fact that they *can*, without any prospect of losing too much business) is that you don't reserve a number of seats, you reserve a table. A table designated for 2, 4 or 6 people.
After looking into Grace, 42 grams and Acadia, a reservation was placed at the latter. Can't wait ^
After looking into Grace, 42 grams and Acadia, a reservation was placed at the latter. Can't wait ^
Jun 17, 2016, 4:44 am
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I will need a lot of visits to Chicago in order to try all the restaurants I would like to dine at
