Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > DiningBuzz
Reload this Page >

Consolidated "Vodka" thread

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Consolidated "Vodka" thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 13, 2021 | 9:19 am
  #451  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: TOA
Programs: HH LTDiamond, Marriott LTPP/Platinum Premier, Hyatt Lame-ist, UA MM LT1P
Posts: 21,079
Originally Posted by moondog
This flavored foods/beverage idea has gotten me thinking that a thread dedicated to this topic in the general sense might be interesting chat fodder. Potato/corn chips, in particular, lend themselves to some truly insane flavor combinations (e.g. late night ramen, Hawaiian pizza, kungpao chicken) in regional markets.

Back on the vodka topic, here's a sampling of the current retail market here in Shanghai (all numbers represent CNY and the USD/CNY fx rate is around 6.5; assume 700ml or 750ml for each):
-random Russian vodkas 75
-Skyy 80 (but, I've seen it for as low as 59)
-Smirnov 80
-Stoli 80...a little more for desirable flavors
-Absolut 80-150, but 140 is most common
-Grey Goose 300
-Belvedere 325
-Tito's 350

We do have a piracy problem here, and vodka has to be insanely easy to fake, but I have a reasonable amount of trust in the larger channels (i.e. FamilyMart has minimal incentive to play games). I usually end up buying Skyy when I can find it, but readily admit that my decision process is driven by a combination of the fact that it is cheap and I'm a sucker for the cobalt bottles. At bars, I splurge for the higher end stuff...typically only a 25% premium v the house brand.

-
So what do you do with the empty cobalt bottles?

David
DELee is offline  
Old Jan 13, 2021 | 9:25 am
  #452  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Community Builder
Community Influencer
All eyes on you!
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Shanghai
Posts: 46,285
Originally Posted by DELee
So what do you do with the empty cobalt bottles?

David
I put them in the recycling bin, and have no idea what their future is after that. But, my thinking is that smart folks in the fake booze business focus on empty Grey Goose and Belvedere bottles.
moondog is online now  
Old Jan 13, 2021 | 1:54 pm
  #453  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
100k
20 Countries Visited
500k
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Francisco
Programs: GM on VX, UA, AA, HA, AS, SY; Budget Fastbreak; GM with hotels; Waymo; Honda crv; iOS
Posts: 36,601
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
At least in California, alcohol purchases cannot occur in a self-checkout lane.
This. I prefer self-checkout for every transaction and generally eschew alcohol at Safeway and Costco because I just use self-checkout.
Originally Posted by moondog
Back on the vodka topic, here's a sampling of the current retail market here in Shanghai (all numbers represent CNY and the USD/CNY fx rate is around 6.5...
-
Do any of these import brands make special vodkas for the China market?
gaobest is offline  
Old Mar 5, 2021 | 7:56 am
  #454  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Community Builder
Active Streak: 30 Days
All eyes on you!
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Denver, CO
Programs: UA Silver, Bonvoy Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 23,156
Originally Posted by pseudoswede
I make my own Swedish mulled wine (glgg) every year to give to our neighbors. It's very heavy on cinnamon, cardamom, and cloves. Typically I use mandarin vodka to strengthen it, but this year I decided to try Deep Eddy orange vodka. It made it a bit too bright, so adding some cinnamon vodka probably would've fixed it instantly. Instead, I threw in a few more sticks of cinnamon and let it steep for a few days, and that did the trick.
So I had a 1/2 handle of this vodka left thinking about what to do with it. That's when I decided to try it with diet tonic water*, and I think basically invented an alcoholic version of Orangina.

* - most of you might be aghast at the thought, but I think regular tonic water would make the drink too sweet**; plus, I don't need the extra calories during the pandemic
** - edited to add: which seems strange since Orangina contains 40-50g of sugar, whereas my drink only has 3g

Last edited by pseudoswede; Mar 5, 2021 at 8:02 am
pseudoswede is offline  
Old Mar 5, 2021 | 8:25 am
  #455  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Community Builder
Community Influencer
All eyes on you!
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Shanghai
Posts: 46,285
Originally Posted by gaobest
This. I prefer self-checkout for every transaction and generally eschew alcohol at Safeway and Costco because I just use self-checkout.

Do any of these import brands make special vodkas for the China market?
I don't think the vodka itself is different but I wouldn't be surprised if the brands play around with the 700ml v 750ml thing in order to differentiate product that is sold through official v unofficial (e.g. duty free) channels.
moondog is online now  
Old Mar 6, 2021 | 12:21 pm
  #456  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
Community Builder
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,790
Originally Posted by gaobest
the $3.99 for 750ml, and Trader Joes only having cashiers, were my reasons for the purchase. Maybe I would have passed on jalapeo or anise or tomato vodkas. Or if Trader Joes had self-checkout, then I wouldnt have bothered. $3.99 is a lot of money for me but I couldnt not go for it.
Even at $3.99, I would have passed since I would assume it would be too much like Fireball. My Trader Joe's vodka purchase (2006-19) used to be Monopolwa, which was $9.99 or $10.99 for a Litre. I cannot find it sold here in Florida.
As for regular Sobeiski, it is what buy here along with Pinnacle or Svedka. Whichever is on sale is my choice.

Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
At least in California, alcohol purchases cannot occur in a self-checkout lane.
Remember, Tesco's attempt to enter the US market with "Fresh & Easy"? Every checkout lane was self-checkout, but there always was someone with an override card to check IDs.
csufabel is offline  
Old Mar 18, 2021 | 5:42 pm
  #457  
5 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Programs: British Airways GGL/CCR, Hilton Diamond & Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,681
Originally Posted by LondonElite
I believe Smirnoff regularly wins blind tests, and Grey Goose is exposed as overpriced plonk.
any data points? or links?
being a big vodka drinker I wouldn't touch Smirnoff - its barely above paint stripper.
PGberkshire is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2021 | 10:42 am
  #458  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,639
Originally Posted by PGberkshire
any data points? or links?
being a big vodka drinker I wouldn't touch Smirnoff - its barely above paint stripper.
Actually, if you just Google "Smirnoff taste test" you'll get all kinds of links. One of the most famous and cited results is a NY Times test (old, from 2005) where they tasted 21 vodkas. But you'll see other links where Smirnoff won, and some where Grey Goose came in last.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/d...ts-rivals.html

I don't have a strong position for or against. I'm not a huge vodka drinker, as I tend more toward the brown spirits. But I've tried most of them, and lower priced brands like Smirnoff and New Amsterdam work fine for me. Of course, personal preference plays a very big part in it.
JBord is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2021 | 12:19 pm
  #459  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ORD
Posts: 14,771
I buy vodka so infrequently but when I do I just buy a big bottle of Ketel One or Tito's. To my mind, the ideal of vodka is a tasteless neutral spirit. It's supposed to not taste like anything.
gfunkdave is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2021 | 12:54 pm
  #460  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,639
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
I buy vodka so infrequently but when I do I just buy a big bottle of Ketel One or Tito's. To my mind, the ideal of vodka is a tasteless neutral spirit. It's supposed to not taste like anything.
I like both of those brands as well. I'll buy them if they're on sale. To me, the smoothness is the factor. I don't want to feel like I'm burning my throat, but I want to know that I'm drinking alcohol. Smirnoff, New Amsterdam, and Tito's are brands I buy sometimes (Ketel only if it's a really good deal) and they all do that for me. Honestly, if I were to pick a favorite, it would probably be Stoli. It makes a very clean vodka martini. But at it's price, it's a rare treat.

My wife is a wine and vodka drinker, primarily vodka martinis. Since she likes them dirty, I make them for her with any of the midrange brands and she always comments on how good they are. Basically, if you're mixing them even with just a tablespoon of olive juice and vermouth, the midranges suffice.
JBord is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2021 | 12:57 pm
  #461  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ORD
Posts: 14,771
Originally Posted by JBord
I like both of those brands as well. I'll buy them if they're on sale. To me, the smoothness is the factor. I don't want to feel like I'm burning my throat, but I want to know that I'm drinking alcohol. Smirnoff, New Amsterdam, and Tito's are brands I buy sometimes (Ketel only if it's a really good deal) and they all do that for me. Honestly, if I were to pick a favorite, it would probably be Stoli. It makes a very clean vodka martini. But at it's price, it's a rare treat.

My wife is a wine and vodka drinker, primarily vodka martinis. Since she likes them dirty, I make them for her with any of the midrange brands and she always comments on how good they are. Basically, if you're mixing them even with just a tablespoon of olive juice and vermouth, the midranges suffice.
I think New Amsterdam gin makes a great cocktail with tonic. They have citrusy elements that go well together. I bet the vodka is the same.
gfunkdave is offline  
Old Mar 22, 2021 | 1:25 pm
  #462  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,639
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
I think New Amsterdam gin makes a great cocktail with tonic. They have citrusy elements that go well together. I bet the vodka is the same.
The vodka seems pretty clean tasting to me. I'll have to try the gin though. I enjoy the London dry gins and do spend more for a nice gin, although I'm usually perfectly happy with Beefeater's too. My preferred martini is gin with a splash of vermouth. Since my wife likes them "shaken, not stirred", if we're both having one, I'll just make a double batch of vodka martinis in the shaker (olive juice in her glass), so I do drink those sometimes. Vodka tonics are probably my go-to vodka drink.
JBord is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2021 | 1:00 pm
  #463  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ORD
Posts: 14,771
Originally Posted by JBord
The vodka seems pretty clean tasting to me. I'll have to try the gin though. I enjoy the London dry gins and do spend more for a nice gin, although I'm usually perfectly happy with Beefeater's too. My preferred martini is gin with a splash of vermouth. Since my wife likes them "shaken, not stirred", if we're both having one, I'll just make a double batch of vodka martinis in the shaker (olive juice in her glass), so I do drink those sometimes. Vodka tonics are probably my go-to vodka drink.
You and I have similar martini tastes, though Plymouth is my favorite gin. Our favorite local bartender recently yelled at me when he discovered I like to shake martinis.
JBord likes this.
gfunkdave is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2021 | 1:15 pm
  #464  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,639
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
You and I have similar martini tastes, though Plymouth is my favorite gin. Our favorite local bartender recently yelled at me when he discovered I like to shake martinis.
Lol...as he should! I haven't tried Plymouth, and that's a different thread anyway I suppose. I'd still like to hear back from the person who compared Smirnoff to paint stripper. But ultimately, I think the answer is that one's man's paint stripper is another man's top shelf martini . It usually applies to wines more than liquor but I'm a firm believer in drinking what you like, not what someone says you should like.
JBord is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2021 | 1:58 pm
  #465  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: TOA
Programs: HH LTDiamond, Marriott LTPP/Platinum Premier, Hyatt Lame-ist, UA MM LT1P
Posts: 21,079
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
You and I have similar martini tastes, though Plymouth is my favorite gin. Our favorite local bartender recently yelled at me when he discovered I like to shake martinis.
What did he yell at you about?

David
DELee is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.