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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 8:26 am
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Once I paid $1243.43 (IIRC) at a fast food place in Vegas. It was
lunch for two.

20 minutes later, I got a full refund and an apology... and the lunch
ended up to be free.

The cashier entered the last two digits twice by mistake for the credit card
transaction.. and then freaked out
The manager spent 20 minutes on the phone to get the transaction reversed.
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by cpx
last two digits twice
quite an error.

Originally Posted by UNITED959
Charlie Trotter's in Chicago has a $175 prix fixe menu...so $350 for two on just food...throw in a bottle of wine and you're over the $500 mark.
masa, aragawa, joel robuchon are $350-$500 PER PERSON for price fixe dinner
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
as i said, standard price fixe tasting menus, without paired wine.

its easy to spend more ANYWHERE. you can buy a $1M(exaggeration, yes i know) bottle of X at any decent restaurant. thats not the point of my question. i tried to explain this in great detail in my OP.

i also updated my last post.

Sorry it seems like nobody understands your question.

Ducasse has standard tasting menus at the Plaza Athenee in Paris at 220 and 320 for winter 06. (This is $282-416.)

And yes, he charges for wine.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by number_6
Sadly it is hard to find good meals in much of Europe for under USD 200 per person these days, at least in this type of restaurant.
I have to disagree with this. Just in the Netherlands (hardly known for its culinary brilliance) I can think of 10 restaurants that are highly acclaimed and/or have Michelin stars that are under $200/person. One in particular with two stars has a fixed menu for 89 euro per person, which is their "best" and it really is fantastically good (all local ingredients, everything seasonal, everything very very tasy).

If you only eat out in places like London, Paris or Geneva, then I agree, it would be very difficult to find cheap restaurants with decent quality. But there is more to Europe than merely the big, expensive, post city centres.

What does price have to do with food quality anyway? I've had some of the best food for next to nothing (both in terms of quality and presentation), and some of the worst food at ridiculously expensive restaurants, and vica versa. I suppose it all comes down to personal taste and how seriously one takes restaurant critics and rating systems.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 1:58 pm
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Per Se in NYC, as of January, 2007, has gone to a Prix Fixe menu at $250.00 per person. He has 2 different menus: a nine course tasting of vegetables and a nine course chef's tasting menu which changes daily.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 2:15 pm
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Fat Duck is 115 ($225), Gordon Ramsay is 110 ($215), El Bulli is E165 ($215); all prices within the past 12 months, so those are all below your threshhold. (All tasting menus and all without wine)
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by jabrams72
Fat Duck is £115 ($225), Gordon Ramsay is £110 ($215), El Bulli is E165 ($215); all prices within the past 12 months, so those are all below your threshhold. (All tasting menus and all without wine)
But again, just the price of the tasting menu is no more reasonable than a cost when you buy a million dollar bottle of wine. The reason is that the tasting menues include different things and at in some cases, but not all, routinely have substitutions which add sginificantly to the price. That is why I am pretty convinced that despite the tasting menu difference both Per Se and Ducasse would likely cost more for an "average" dinner than Masa and Jean George about the same.

I should also say that if someone offered to buy me dinner at 50 restaurants of my choice in NY that Masa would not be on the list.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 3:25 pm
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At many of these places (Tokyo/New York/London/Paris) you are also paying for the real estate (space).
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by jabrams72
Fat Duck is 115 ($225), Gordon Ramsay is 110 ($215), El Bulli is E165 ($215); all prices within the past 12 months, so those are all below your threshhold. (All tasting menus and all without wine)
And these fluctuate...I was at Fat Duck less than 12 months ago and the menu was GBP 97.75...

Another thing I neglected to mention in my above post is the wide variation in wine (and other beverage) pricing at these types of places. For example, at The Fat Duck we found it difficult to find many decent choices below GBP 100 (and far too easy to find wonderful choices above that level.) We were also charged GBP 84 for 4 glasses of (ordinary) port after the meal. SO, even though the menu price in Bray was reasonable in the land of 3 Michelin stars, the total bill was borderline obscene.

On the other hand, Michelin starred restaurants in Spain tend to have VERY gentle wine pricing. I have never had the pleasure of El Bulli, but at Zalacain and La Broche in Madrid there are good to great wines from Rioja and Ribera del Duero in the 30 range!

France tends to fall somewhere in the middle, as does the USA...
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 9:43 pm
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Fat Duck is $225

Gordon Ramsay is $215

El Bulli is $215

Having a home cooked, romantic dinner at home with the one you love... PRICELESS.
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 5:22 am
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dankyone and b1513, thanks ^

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Originally Posted by cpx
Once I paid $1243.43 (IIRC) at a fast food place in Vegas. It was
lunch for two.

20 minutes later, I got a full refund and an apology... and the lunch
ended up to be free.

The cashier entered the last two digits twice by mistake for the credit card
transaction.. and then freaked out
The manager spent 20 minutes on the phone to get the transaction reversed.
did you get to keep the miles?
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 2:40 pm
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san dominico in imola may be that expensive. the Men degustazione was over the equivalent of $300 2007 bush bucks the only time I ever ate there(maybe over $500). The reasonably priced wine made up for the expensive menu.
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man
did you get to keep the miles?
I have cash back.. and no I didn't get any cash back for that.
but the lunch ended up being free
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 7:34 pm
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Four of us shared a $500 Mac/Cheese and Martini lunch at Harry's Bar, Venice.

Dined with the delightful Dr. and Mrs.obscure2k

Not only were the company, food and drinks exquisite but we got Elton John thrown in for free.

Would repeat in a heartbeat.
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