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greggwiggins Jun 16, 2009 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by sbratcher (Post 11917613)
going on a BBQ pilgrimage to KC next month. Can't wait!! My plans are Bryant's, Fiorella's, Gates and Oklahoma Joe's across the river.

While you're in Kansas City try the burnt ends at LC's. Here's their website, here's a review.

FlyinHawaiian Jun 16, 2009 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 11917891)
While you're in Kansas City try the burnt ends at LC's. Here's their website, here's a review.

... and here's a photo (from the KC BBQ Do this past April):

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...41_2719027.jpg

sbratcher Jun 16, 2009 2:28 pm

oh man!! you're killing me :D

jfe Jun 16, 2009 2:48 pm

Went to Dreamland BBQ in Tuscaloosa, AL

Not the best ever, but it was pretty darn good.

codex57 Jun 16, 2009 3:23 pm

Man, you people are killing me. California is too health conscious. We're not exactly swimming in good BBQ places. Especially where I live. Luckily, a Lucille's BBQ opened up here. Maybe not the best ever (but still quite good), but the alternatives are the prepacked stuff like at Costco or Walmart. I'm serious too. It's all Mexican, Italian, or Sushi around here. Sadly, only the Mexican stuff is good (which is weird cuz I'm pretty far from Mexico).

deniah Jun 16, 2009 3:41 pm

hill country'ish area texas
within the state of colorado, i havent been to any restaurant that can smoke as well as what i make at home

the stuff about "no sauce on real bbq".... hogwash.

coachrowsey Jun 16, 2009 9:32 pm

Smokeybones BBQ
 
I doubt this will qualify for the best but it is pretty darn good. The food is MUCH better than their website.
www.smokeybones.com

greggwiggins Jun 17, 2009 7:37 am


Originally Posted by codex57 (Post 11918453)
Man, you people are killing me. California is too health conscious. We're not exactly swimming in good BBQ places.

I'd have to strongly disagree with codex57; California gave us Santa Maria barbecue.

deniah Jun 17, 2009 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 11921917)
I'd have to strongly disagree with codex57; California gave us Santa Maria barbecue.


Visiting the Santa Maria Valley is a feast for the senses with its lush rolling hills and fragrant fields of strawberries. But cruise down Broadway on any given weekend, and it’s the mouth-watering smell of barbecue that will greet you. In fact, Santa Maria is known nation-wide as the "Barbecue Capital of the World."
i stopped reading after the 3rd sentence. who are they kiddin?

greggwiggins Jun 17, 2009 2:40 pm

I agree it's not the barbecue capital (we all know that's in the Carolinas :D ) but Santa Maria barbecue can be very, very good.

BamaVol Jun 17, 2009 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 11924479)
I agree it's not the barbecue capital (we all know that's in the Carolinas :D ) but Santa Maria barbecue can be very, very good.

My neighbor in Tennessee swore by a rib rub from Santa Maria that his brother would procure for him at the source. I had no reason to complain - the ribs were always tasty and free.

codex57 Jun 17, 2009 4:34 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 11921917)
I'd have to strongly disagree with codex57; California gave us Santa Maria barbecue.

They need to hire a marketing firm or something. I drive by Santa Maria a lot. No clue they had bbq. Course, it doesn't help that they're in Santa Maria. That's like being the tree that fell in a deserted forest.

ALadyNCal Jun 17, 2009 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 10280508)
For the past two years, Lucille's Bad To The Bone BBQ in Delray Beach, FL, has hosted the PBI-FLL Meet and will do so again this December.

Do you think there is any connection to a Bad to the Bone BBQ in So Cal/AZ? I happened to find them via iDine recently and think they're the best we've had around here ^ All the stars lined up -- great BBQ, great prices, iDine miles, and restaurant.com promos :p

http://badtothebone-bbq.com/2009/

Omnivore Jun 18, 2009 2:48 am

Agree with comments about the Salt Lick, pretty much amazing, simple and they do it well.

jackal Jun 18, 2009 6:45 am


Originally Posted by codex57 (Post 11925143)
They need to hire a marketing firm or something. I drive by Santa Maria a lot. No clue they had bbq. Course, it doesn't help that they're in Santa Maria. That's like being the tree that fell in a deserted forest.

Seconded. I grew UP an hour north of Santa Maria and went there at least twice a month (it was the closest Costco until the one in SLO [IATA:SBP] was built). I ate at all kinds of restaurants there but never even knew to try their barbecue.

I did know (or at least had heard) that the tri-tip steak originated in that area.

Next time I go through, I'll be doing so with an appetite. Anyone have any specific suggestions for a particular restaurant that best showcases the best barbecue in the west?

Wilbur Jun 20, 2009 7:38 am

If you have a chance to visit AUS, you should be sure and drive down to Lockhart. It is 30 minutes from the airport, and two of the best real BBQ places are located in the downtown area.

- Blacks
- Kreutz
- Smittys

This is the real thing, slow cooked in mesquite, no silly sauces. Briskets and porks are both excellent, and I have ordered large amounts and taken them away on the airplane with me for dining over the next few weeks at home.

Kreutz is not open on a Sunday.

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/416185

GadgetFreak Jun 20, 2009 7:40 am


Originally Posted by Wilbur (Post 11939410)
If you have a chance to visit AUS, you should be sure and drive down to Lockhart. It is 30 minutes from the airport, and two of the best real BBQ places are located in the downtown area.

- Blacks
- Kreutz
- Smittys

This is the real thing, slow cooked in mesquite, no silly sauces. Briskets and porks are both excellent, and I have ordered large amounts and taken them away on the airplane with me for dining over the next few weeks at home.

Kreutz is not open on a Sunday.

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/416185

I thought it was actually cooked over oak wood not mesquite. But whichever, I agree that it is the real deal. This is a long thread, the Lockhart group is mentioned numerous times. :)

Wilbur Jun 21, 2009 8:50 am

You are correct - OAK, not mesquite.

Djlawman Jun 21, 2009 10:24 am

PJ's Bar-B-Q in Saratoga Springs, NY. (Seasonal.)

http://www.pjsbarbq.com/

Yeah, it's north of the Mason Dixon line (by a far piece). But let me tell you, PJ knows his ribs. If you are ever in the area, stop on by. I guarantee you will be going out of your way in the future to be there when they are cooking.

My son and I drove up there (about 5 1/2 hours from here)a couple of years ago, for the sole purpose of buying ribs to serve at his H.S. graduation party. Kicked myself for not buying enough to have left-overs, because everyone at the party devoured them, and said they were best ribs they ever had.

Currently, have about 6 racks left down in the freezer. We thaw 'em out, and then reheat 'em on the grill. Close enough. (My son went about 2 1/2 hours out of his way on the way home after the end of the semester, to get us a fresh supply of a dozen racks.)

For anyone who likes good 'Cue, trust me -- you won't leave disappointed or hungry.

deniah Jun 22, 2009 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 11939414)
I thought it was actually cooked over oak wood not mesquite. But whichever, I agree that it is the real deal. This is a long thread, the Lockhart group is mentioned numerous times. :)

yes, although texas bbq is commonly associated with mesquite, most of the acclaimed independent country joints (ie in lockhart, llano, elgin) use oak. also, surprisingly, their briskets arent really "low and slow", but most cook them hot and fast (in relative bbq terms)

moman Jun 22, 2009 4:57 pm

Sonny's BBQ is not good. It's tolerable if you can smother it with their sauces and wash it down with some sweet tea. The worst part is that it used to be a good value, we would go 2-3x a week from work for the $4.99 lunch special, but that's long gone and the average ticket is north of $10 at which point it's not a good value.

In Tampa our choices are between slim and poor, my two favorite, Hog Heaven on 301 and Big John's Alabama BBQ on 40th street are now closed.

Weez_1000 Jun 23, 2009 9:18 am


Originally Posted by BillMorrow (Post 2723065)
shareholder,

You could start fights with this type of question.

Personally, I prefer 'southern' style BBQ with a sweet, sticky sauce applied after ribs have been slow cooked for a long time. To me, the best example of this style is Tom's on North Federal Hwy in Boca Raton, FL.

I know i am replying to a post over 5 years old but it just brought back such great memories of the old Tom's, the little shack on Old Dixie Highway in Delray, you could only fit about 5 people inside at a time, used to eat at the picnic tables outside and I'll never forget the amount of Rolls Royces, Ferraris and Lambo's that used to pull up to this tiny little place that pulled racks of ribs out of garbage cans. Those were the days.......

I went to college in Boca and used to eat at the place regularly in the early 80's. When he moved to Boca it wasnt quite the same. I know they bounced around quite a bit since that time but I believe they finally went out of business at their last stop on Federal Highway in Delray. Is that the case or did they ever open back up?

myefre Jun 26, 2009 10:13 am


Originally Posted by jfe (Post 11918245)
Went to Dreamland BBQ in Tuscaloosa, AL

Not the best ever, but it was pretty darn good.

There sauce is great though. There is one in Mobile, just off I-65, and room for me to park.


I stopped at Tipton's in Wilkesboro, NC. Liked that, too bad I dont get there more often.

anrkitec Jun 26, 2009 10:27 am

For me it's a tie between Gates in MCI [original location] and Powdrell's in ABQ.

Powdrell's has the best hotlinks I have ever tasted. I am not ashamed to admit that I have on occasion even dreamed about them.

Also, IMO the S.E. can keep all of that rotting vinegar nastiness.

LISAA Feb 1, 2010 8:07 pm

Best BBQ in USA
 
Hands down, it is Jack Stack in KC. I am planning a trip from San Diego because Jack is totally incomparable. My husband and I try BBQ everywhere and I am a pretty darn great chef; but Jack is what I aspire to and without a smoker or hours to perfect that glaze, it is worth a flight and hotel stay credit weekend just to get those "burnt ends" and mouth watering brisket.

tony732 Feb 1, 2010 11:59 pm

Being a native of Kansas City, I'm very biased when it comes to BBQ. I truly believe we have the best in the USA.

Here are my picks:
Kansas City Area
#1-Arthur Bryant's (Yes, the do have one located in Terminal A at MCI, however, it's NOT the same experience and food quality as what you'll get at the downtown location).

#2-Smokehouse BBQ
#3-Gates BBQ
#4-Jack Stack
#5-Wabash BBQ (Excelsior Springs, MO)
#6-Winslow's City Market BBQ
#7-Oklahoma Joe's BBQ

#8-Wyandot BBQ

Elsewhere in Missouri
#1-Three Pigs BBQ (Lake of the Ozarks/Gravois Mills, MO)
#2-B&P BBQ Pit (Lake of the Ozarks/Sunrise Beach, MO)
#3-Brown's BBQ (Clinton, MO)
#4-Rib Shack BBQ (Springfield, MO)

Oklahoma City Area
#1-Dale's BBQ (Moore, OK)
#2-Oklahoma Station BBQ
#3-Larry's Rib Pit
#4-Crockett's Smokehouse (Midwest City, OK)

nnn Feb 3, 2010 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by PHLbuddy (Post 2722816)
I agree the styles are different based on regionand perhaps should be clarified

Memphis: Charlie Vergos Rendezvous. Outstanding dry ribs. Great beans/rice for vegetarians too
Kansas City: Arthur Bryant Barbeque. Great "wet" ribs."

I've been to both of the above, but that's because I was a tourist and these are the touristy places. While they were fantastic, I assume locals have their own favorites other than these two.

For a non-traditional suggestion, if you live in San Francisco, try Sneaky's BBQ. It's delivery only, and comes cold unless you're having an event catered, so you will have to warm it in the microwave. But the meat is absolutely delicious. (I do not care for their sides, however.)

Allan38103 Feb 3, 2010 11:00 pm

Checking in from a Memphis Downtowner:

If you're an out of town visitor, go to Rendezvous or Corky's, They are both popular and world-famous for a reason. Also the best place to spot a celebrity. Rendezvous defines the standard for Dry ribs.

Locals from Memphis prefer Interstate BBQ or Central BBQ. My favorite rib place on Beale St. is Blues City Cafe (great tasting ribs and it's where Tom Cruise starred in "The Firm"), with a five-way tie for 2nd place.

judolphin Feb 4, 2010 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by g24kb8 (Post 2723633)
I am a fan of Sonnys which is a chain mostly in Florida, unbelievable sweet sauce. Greenbrier is just outside Huntsville, Alabama, very good southern BBQ.

+1 on Sonny's... just thinking about the sweet sauce is like Pavlov's bell to me. And the pulled pork... yum.

I also loved Corky's.

TMOliver Feb 5, 2010 10:17 am

Black's, Kreutz or Smitty's in Lockhart. Salt Lick in Austin, for the family and tourist trade. Cooper's in Llano, long an oasis for traditionalists.

As previously noted, sweetenings in BBQ sauce ranks close to the Albigensian Heresy as anathema. Additionally, barbecue is at its best served on butcher paper, un-sauced, minimal accompaniments except for bread ("store bought", what my Granny called "light Bread"), pickles and onions and a thin "dipping sauce" on the side.

Sausage can be a world of its own, with some of the small packing house brands being superlative. Towns like Elgin, Snook, West Station and Brenham can be visited for no other reason than to buy sausage. Then there are "Hot Links", the poor man's meat treat, "ring bologna" beatified, an East Texas standard.

Cabrito and Lamb require both a gentle heat and a very careful pit man. Then there are the appetizer courses, not barbecue, but "smoked", mullet, wild goose and some wild ducks, gems of the home smoker's art. Can you still find smoked mullet in the "Fish Camps' which once could be found on the "Redneck Riviera" from Pensacola to Apalachicola?

Long ago, 5 decades or so, the ribs at Lou Bono's in JAX were hard to match, but occasional repeat visits reveal a sad descent toward mediocrity (at best).

Pork can be good, but much of the finely chopped "Pulled Pork" served in the Carolinas, etc., reminds me of the contents of some canned military rations of my youth. Just give me a large section of the pig, and I'm happier. Pulled Pork falls into same same category as "Barbacoa" (the best made from the head), convenient, but not barbecue, and usually not up to snuff.

As for "Santa Maria", there's nothing wrong with grilling, except calling it BBQ.

God created brisket to supply the carnal appetites, sophisticated palates and refined tastes of Jews and Texans, two cultures under-appreciated for their substantial contributions to mankind.

uncertaintraveler Feb 5, 2010 10:19 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 13331801)
Pulled Pork falls into same same category as "Barbacoa" (the best made from the head), convenient, but not barbecue, and usually not up to snuff.

Speaking of, I have to say that the best Barbacoa I've ever had comes from the meat/deli counter of an HEB in Corpus Christi. $6 a pound, with some lime, cheese, and fresh tortillas, sitting in a chair on Padre Island, and I'm a happy fellow.

GadgetFreak Feb 5, 2010 10:24 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 13331801)
Black's, Kreutz or Smitty's in Lockhart. Salt Lick in Austin, for the family and tourist trade. Cooper's in Llano, long an oasis for traditionalists.

As previously noted, sweetenings in BBQ sauce ranks close to the Albigensian Heresy as anathema. Additionally, barbecue is at its best served on butcher paper, un-sauced, minimal accompaniments except for bread ("store bought", what my Granny called "light Bread"), pickles and onions and a thin "dipping sauce" on the side.

Sausage can be a world of its own, with some of the small packing house brands being superlative. Towns like Elgin, Snook, West Station and Brenham can be visited for no other reason than to buy sausage. Then there are "Hot Links", the poor man's meat treat, "ring bologna" beatified, an East Texas standard.

Cabrito and Lamb require both a gentle heat and a very careful pit man. Then there are the appetizer courses, not barbecue, but "smoked", mullet, wild goose and some wild ducks, gems of the home smoker's art. Can you still find smoked mullet in the "Fish Camps' which once could be found on the "Redneck Riviera" from Pensacola to Apalachicola?

Long ago, 5 decades or so, the ribs at Lou Bono's in JAX were hard to match, but occasional repeat visits reveal a sad descent toward mediocrity (at best).

Pork can be good, but much of the finely chopped "Pulled Pork" served in the Carolinas, etc., reminds me of the contents of some canned military rations of my youth. Just give me a large section of the pig, and I'm happier. Pulled Pork falls into same same category as "Barbacoa" (the best made from the head), convenient, but not barbecue, and usually not up to snuff.

As for "Santa Maria", there's nothing wrong with grilling, except calling it BBQ.

God created brisket to supply the carnal appetites, sophisticated palates and refined tastes of Jews and Texans, two cultures under-appreciated for their substantial contributions to mankind.

See, we can agree on something. Blacks was my favorite when I lived in Austin. But Salt Lick and Ironworks were excellent. Heck, even a bunch of brisket and a bucket of sweet tea from Bill Miller has quite the treat. :)

Beckles Feb 5, 2010 10:32 am


Originally Posted by PHLbuddy (Post 2722816)
I agree the styles are different based on regionand perhaps should be clarified

Memphis: Charlie Vergos Rendezvous. Outstanding dry ribs. Great beans/rice for vegetarians too
Kansas City: Arthur Bryant Barbeque. Great "wet" ribs."


Originally Posted by nnn (Post 13319521)
I've been to both of the above, but that's because I was a tourist and these are the touristy places.

Arthur Bryant's ... touristy? Maybe if you went to the one at the airport or the Ameristar casino ...

Wait ... Kansas City ... touristy? ;)

photo_guy Feb 5, 2010 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 13331849)
See, we can agree on something. Blacks was my favorite when I lived in Austin. But Salt Lick and Ironworks were excellent. Heck, even a bunch of brisket and a bucket of sweet tea from Bill Miller has quite the treat. :)

Yup. Blacks, Salt lick, Iron Works are great. There really are too many small places in Central Texas that have their own style and 'atmosphere' to pick only one.

moman Feb 9, 2010 6:10 pm

I wasn't overly impressed with The salt lick BBQ. The atmosphere was great but the food only mediocre and had the appearance of grilled ribs slathered in sweet sauce.

My favorite Texas place is the chain of "Rudys' country store and BBQ" gas station BBQ restaurants. Top notch meats. The brisket sandwich is only topped by the one in KC (Oklahoma Joes'). Rudy's sides could use some work.

For BBQ, I haven't yet found a region that could beat KC. Jack Stack's and Oklahoma Joes' are my favorite. Didn't care much for the Smokehouse BBQ or Zarda's.

morgan1929 Feb 9, 2010 7:43 pm

Sonny Bryan's on Inwood Road in Dallas is having a ceremony celebrating 50 years on Wednesday, Feb 10th. The mayor will be there, and sandwiches are $2.50 all day. Dean Fearing will be the celebrity spokesperson

stemor Feb 9, 2010 9:10 pm


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 11920264)
I doubt this will qualify for the best but it is pretty darn good. The food is MUCH better than their website.
www.smokeybones.com


Smokey Bones opened a new shop up in Memphis a few years ago on Winchester Rd. in east Hickory Hill. I thought at the time that they (or their franchisee?) might be a bit too overconfident. Sure enough, they closed not long thereafter.

I likened it to opening a Red Lobster in PWM's Old Port, or a P F Chang in any given China Town. :D

Yub Feb 10, 2010 12:52 am

Leatha's in Hattiesburg, MS.

photo_guy Feb 10, 2010 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by stemor (Post 13360667)
Smokey Bones opened a new shop up in Memphis a few years ago on Winchester Rd. in east Hickory Hill. I thought at the time that they (or their franchisee?) might be a bit too overconfident. Sure enough, they closed not long thereafter.

I likened it to opening a Red Lobster in PWM's Old Port, or a P F Chang in any given China Town. :D

Same thing happened in Austin, TX...yup..TEXAS. Smokey Bones openned 2 places in the area where there are probably 50 good, local BBQ joints of all shapes and sizes. What were they thinking? Needless to say they did not last long - about a year. One of the locations became a Trudy's in S.E. Austin which was a welcome addition to the area.

braslvr Feb 10, 2010 8:29 pm

I found Smokey Bones surprisingly decent when I ate there twice in Scranton, PA. Of course not near as good as most local joints in BBQ country. I also enjoyed the 'bar' atmosphere and BBQ together which I've rarely experienced anywhere.


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