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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 1:04 pm
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What makes a great chef?

What do you think makes a great chef? From the 3-star Michelin chefs such as Thomas Keller and Pierre Gagnaire to equally talented chefs such as Mario Batali and Dean Fearing, what exactly is "it" that makes them the take such ingredients and turn them into such extraordinary dishes on a regular basis in successful, well-run restaurants?

Is it the training and experience they get in restaurants? Gordon Ramsay and Marco Pierre White have produced a lot of talented chefs out of their kitchens who have gone on to have terrific success in their own light.

Do you think the creativity, palate, technique, and management can be identify early on?
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 12:42 pm
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Personally, I think what makes a great chef is their training and their inspiration. Tons of people have worked in TK's kitchen, Adria's kitchen, et cetera, but what makes you great after that training? It's your inspiration.

Notice Achtaz's drive, Anduriz's drive, Redzeppi... it's their training followed by their inspiration and drive that make them great.
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If anybody can seriously compare Keller and Gagnaire to promoters without talent like Batali and Fearing then the 'it' does not matter. the difference is in the ability to make ingredients into masterpieces that are delectable. People like Batali know little about good food and a great deal about self-promotion. I do not denigrate their skills, but they are not about excellence in cuisine.

Experiencing a truly talented chef in action produces a sublime experience that has less to do with an ability to impress than an ability to express.

Even naming profane crass people like Ramsay proves the point. There are some who use promotion as a substitute for talent. Ramsay has never been a great chef though he has had several in his kitchens.

There are those such as Michel Troisgros, Thomas Keller, Alice Waters, Stephane Raimbault who create for the client Nirvana. There are others who make a media-driven statement that plays well on TV. One rarely can eat those TV dinners of Batali and his ilk.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 5:34 pm
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Hard to identify just one thing. But creative ideas help as does a good palate.
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Training, technique, palate, sensory (taste) memory, passion, imagination, drive, obsessiveness, stamina, managerial skills....
(not necessarily in that order)
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 7:31 pm
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All good points but for me what separates the greats from the merely mortal is something undefined and special similar to what separates a musician from what I am capable of doing. I could learn the notes and play them to perfection, but a true musician will make them into music.

And darned if it isn't one of life's great joys to try and try and try to find the next great chef.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 9:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jbcarioca
If anybody can seriously compare Keller and Gagnaire to promoters without talent like Batali and Fearing then the 'it' does not matter. the difference is in the ability to make ingredients into masterpieces that are delectable.
Couldn't agree more. Keller is a genius. Fearing is overrated but has managed to create a couple signature dishes over the last two decades have somehow evolved into a reputation (tortilla soup, anyone?). And Batali is just a great marketer.
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I would like to add endless hardwork and desire into the traits as well.
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Originally Posted by Rejuvenated
I would like to add endless hardwork and desire into the traits as well.
I am well acquainted with one renowned chef. He lives near me. He's up in markets at 5-6 AM. He organizes and designs based on what he finds that day. He's always there cooking, managing, schmoozing until 2 AM. It is not clear to me that he sleeps.

Years ago I knew one of the Meilleur Cuisinier de France. He lived just like the other one I know now.

Passion and desire are essential components. Comprehensive education and training are another requirement. After it all they must work constantly. These people are outliers!

The two I know commenced their apprenticeships when they were not yet teenagers. Both, oddly, spent a long time with the same old master in Lyon. Today their children are chefs too, but they all went to the CIA in New York.

I still do not understand how the CIA has become today what Paul Bocuse was 35 years ago. Obviously formal training is now more than apprenticeship.
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Originally Posted by Fornebufox
Training, technique, palate, sensory (taste) memory, passion, imagination, drive, obsessiveness, stamina, managerial skills....
(not necessarily in that order)
Great list. And I would add "marketing skills." I.e., it's like any other business, especially in a creative industry.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 7:29 pm
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Suzanne Goin is a great chef with passion and vision. We love all of her Los Angeles restaurants for the way she translates her vision and passion to her cooking.
Here is a recent WSJ article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...573318752.html
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Originally Posted by obscure2k
Suzanne Goin is a great chef with passion and vision. We love all of her Los Angeles restaurants for the way she translates her vision and passion to her cooking.
Here is a recent WSJ article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...573318752.html
I haven't watched the cooking show for a long time. I was extremely busy that I reading the posts on aviation-related forums. Because I do not have enough time to watched the cooking show for quite long time. You probably knows that I loves to watched the cooking shows on the TV for most the times.
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by jbcarioca
If anybody can seriously compare Keller and Gagnaire to promoters without talent like Batali and Fearing then the 'it' does not matter. the difference is in the ability to make ingredients into masterpieces that are delectable. People like Batali know little about good food and a great deal about self-promotion. I do not denigrate their skills, but they are not about excellence in cuisine.

Experiencing a truly talented chef in action produces a sublime experience that has less to do with an ability to impress than an ability to express.

Even naming profane crass people like Ramsay proves the point. There are some who use promotion as a substitute for talent. Ramsay has never been a great chef though he has had several in his kitchens.

There are those such as Michel Troisgros, Thomas Keller, Alice Waters, Stephane Raimbault who create for the client Nirvana. There are others who make a media-driven statement that plays well on TV. One rarely can eat those TV dinners of Batali and his ilk.
Interesting views.
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