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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 9:57 am
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Burgundy vs. Bordeaux

Interesting light-reading article on some of the differences between the wines from the two regions.

I very much agree with the author, who prefers Burgundy, for many of the same reasons he cites (prefers Pint Noir, for example). I also love the whites from the region, which are :-: fabulous! :-:

And anyway, how can you not prefer a style of wine making over another when they are described thusly:

Exaggerating only slightly, it is fair to say that in Bordeaux they have university degrees, speak English (and sometime another foreign language), read the daily financial news, travel frequently to Paris and abroad, dress in the style of English gentlemen farmers, and play tennis or even polo; in short, their manners are sophisticated.

Most of their counterparts in Burgundy, by contrast, have no higher education, dress in a rustic or sporty way, in any case without any concern for fashion or affectation, and proudly display their peasant manners. The former spend their time mainly in the office and rely on employees to do the work of the vineyard and the cellar; the latter, even when they have assistance or hired staff, take pleasure in getting out of the office and rolling up their sleeves.
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 2:45 pm
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You should favour Jumilla then, I couldn't see much difference in the description of those from Burgundy and those from Murcia.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 2:40 pm
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And anyway, how can you not prefer a style of wine making over another when they are described thusly ...
Yeah, I've gotta say that there's no doubt from whom I'd prefer to get my wine! And I think this actually jives with my personal preferences, too.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 4:45 pm
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Im sorry but this is really a rather silly question..... the only right answer is both regions have amazing wines. I get quite tired of the Burgundy snobs trying to tell BdX lovers that they still need to graduate to a Burgundy palate.... rubbish!!
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This is an absolutely stupid false dilemma. The rest of you, please don't contribute to this fallacy.
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My palate prefers the reds of Burgundy to the reds of Bordeaux, in general. I find flavor profiles in Burgundy, especially well aged Burgundy, that are amazing. I also prefer the dry whites of Burgundy to the dry whites of Bordeaux in general but some of the whites in Bordeaux have incredibly complex noses -- but I just don't want to drink them on a regular basis. The sweet whites of Bordeaux are some of the greatest wines in the world. So much variety in these two regions. Could take a lifetime to explore... ^
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Gaucho100K
Im sorry but this is really a rather silly question..... the only right answer is both regions have amazing wines. I get quite tired of the Burgundy snobs trying to tell BdX lovers that they still need to graduate to a Burgundy palate.... rubbish!!
Oh, c'mon, it's fun!

But there are, of course, differences in the wines of the two regions. It's not that surprising that one would prefer one over the other.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 7:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Jazzop
This is an absolutely stupid false dilemma. The rest of you, please don't contribute to this fallacy.
Why would you consider it a dilemma? Disliking them both?
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Why would you consider it a dilemma? Disliking them both?
false dilemma
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Originally Posted by Jazzop
Maybe false dichotomy is a better term here, since it does not suggest the situation represents any sort of dilemma (having to choose between 2 undesirable outcomes).
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"Exaggerating only slightly, it is fair to say that in Bordeaux they have university degrees, speak English (and sometime another foreign language), read the daily financial news, travel frequently to Paris and abroad, dress in the style of English gentlemen farmers, and play tennis or even polo; in short, their manners are sophisticated.

Most of their counterparts in Burgundy, by contrast, have no higher education, dress in a rustic or sporty way, in any case without any concern for fashion or affectation, and proudly display their peasant manners. The former spend their time mainly in the office and rely on employees to do the work of the vineyard and the cellar; the latter, even when they have assistance or hired staff, take pleasure in getting out of the office and rolling up their sleeves. "

what does that quote have to do with the wines? do we quantify the wine by the education of the owners? OZ is full of beer barons, CA is corporate, germany is old prince crowd, as is champagne. tuscany has a blend of farmers and milan wealthy. can one taste it in the wine?
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 5:01 pm
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Uhm, for me, who makes a product I choose to consume has as much to do with my choice as anything else. So for me, the quote has everything to do with wine.

For you, maybe not. But that's on you.
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 6:34 pm
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Uhm, for me, who makes a product I choose to consume has as much to do with my choice as anything else. So for me, the quote has everything to do with wine.

For you, maybe not. But that's on you.
Oh, you drink oregon pinot? what you know about shea? he good, he bad by your standard. you drink his wine because you line him, yes or no? what about this catena guy down in argentena? does he have an acceptable life style to you? what about lay lou bize? she's a ....... you still drink her stuff? no touch if they gay or something like that?

got personal. sorry. got sucked into stupid again. end of posts.
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Old Apr 19, 2010 | 9:30 am
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Oh, you drink oregon pinot? what you know about shea? he good, he bad by your standard. you drink his wine because you line him, yes or no? what about this catena guy down in argentena? does he have an acceptable life style to you? what about lay lou bize? she's a ....... you still drink her stuff? no touch if they gay or something like that?

got personal. sorry. got sucked into stupid again. end of posts.

Dude...
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wary of white burgs now due to all the fears of premox...and it really does sound like this is a much larger problem than first thought.
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