tjisnumbaone

+1. The TSA is regulating this, not DL. ALL airlines are complying with this, whether it is DL or any one of the international airlines that has 1 flight daily to/from JFK. Booking for all airlines that fly in the US is being affected.

fti

You guys need to bring your TSA whining to the Travel Security forum, or if it really bugs you enough, just stop flying

AndyTLe

Delta AirElite is always an option.

safigan

As a techie, I will say that changing the database to allow for more characters is in fact a big deal because one never knows in millions of lines of legacy code what might break as a result.

4 of 5 in my family simply leave the middle name off their DL SM account. In extensive international travel, it's never been an issue.

tjisnumbaone

+1

Wouldn't you havr to go through TSA to get to the plane (if you choose to rent a bigger plane that can access the gates better if they are open)?

bocastephen

No. Not sure what you mean about gates. Private charters on business jets are handled at a private fixed base operator facility, not the terminal. NO TSA.

MikeMpls

Private security (not TSA) was utilized for the CO Mystery Tours -- 757 flights that departed from parts of IAH under control of CO.

tjisnumbaone

So if somebody rents an actual DL plane (Air Elite does allow people to rent them) are they automatically exempt from it? They'd have to use a regular gate.

bocastephen

Assuming it's a full-size DL passenger jet, it depends where the customer boards, although Delta might contract with the TSA or other private screeners to check bags and passengers before boarding.

If the plane leaves from a passenger terminal, then everyone clears with the TSA to get access to the sterile area - if it's a private FBO on the field, it's up to Delta how they want to handle it.

Their business jet competition (Netjets, etc.) do not involve the TSA at all.

The TSA currently has no authority over private charters that do not operate from the secure area of a passenger terminal (except flights to/from DCA). Thankfully, the NBAA and AOPA have been successfully fighting back on their efforts to gain more control.

GUWonder

It's the TSA (and TSA-apologists') whining that has brought this (In)SecureFlight "ID" dragnet to airlines and airports across America. All the excuses to implement this (In)SecureFlight mandate are just that ... excuses.

In a world where false and/or fraudulently-acquired ID are so readily available, in a world where name changes are so easily had even as to provide the same person legitimately different names in different parts as presented (or not) on various photo IDs, and in a world where databases are so chock full of misinformation about citizens, it's this ID-as-security myth being implemented by the TSA and the TSA-enabling useful idiots at airlines that need to be grounded.

Free citizens should be able to fly freely without being forced by the government and/or government-assisting, private sector minders (read: airlines like DL/NW) to go through this useless obstacle course.

ND76

Until the first Gulf War in 1990, the federal government agency where I represent clients on a daily basis (FCC) did not have an ID policy for visitors, meaning that although there was a security officer sitting at a desk on the ground floor, I was never challenged as I went into the building. I could go anywhere and see any staff member I wanted to see without bother.

In 1990, they suddenly imposed the ID requirement, thinking it was the greatest thing since canned beer. I told a staffer whom I had known for quite a while that all a terrorist needed to do was to show an ID at the door, any ID, and he could get in. That upset the guy.

The airlines have pushed the ID thing, not for security's sake, but to make sure that a passenger is not flying on a deeply discounted ticket he or she bought from a scalper (or was gifted by a person unable to fly). That is no reason to have a federal government police force involved.

I also love the little flashlight they turn on to examine your driver's license. That's a special touch.

CarolDisney1

I don't have any problem complaining to Delta, but when the TSA decides that they are "implementing" for security I expect them to PROVE IT! Sorry, but I pay thier salaries

So SHOW ME THE BENEFIT!

Let's see we can "harrass" the travelers or we can do REAL security? What will we do? "Harrassment" I mean those "baggies" REALLY help don't they? Never mind that the airport and airline employees can bring on ALL the liquids they want (and WHO was one of the original "liquid" bomb plotters????) We will now have all your personal information when you fly so we KNOW who you are, but the "mail" in the cargo hold. That's not a big deal. After all we all "KNOW" the terrorist will use a name etc that's on our list. They will make it "EASY" for us. In the meantime we let the guys with explosives and guns just cruise right through the screening. It's ok, their name and birthdate weren't on our list!!!!!

Honestly, when the TSA decides to strip search you is it going to be "it's OK, it's the TSA"????

So I complain!

fti

You pay the salaries of every CEO in the country from whom you buy merchandise, and the salaries of every CEO in the world for foreign products. Doesn't give you the right to tell them how to run their companies. I still contend you are barking up the wrong tree and that these posts belong in Travel Security forum.

No strip searches have been even remotely suggested - nice hypothetical, which are often brought up by those who have no other valid arguments

tarajim

The little flashlight is a blacklight. This is commonly used in inspecting paper products for defects. In using this, TSA can detect ID's that have been altered. I understand that this has been effective in finding numerous fake ID's.

TJ

EasternTraveler

It would be better if people that try to use hypen, would drop the egos and pick a last name.