Can somebody decipher this fare code?
Jul 5, 2009 | 10:17 am
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Can somebody decipher this fare code?
MA00UPRJ
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:14 am
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Well, it's an M fare, with no advance purchase. That's about the extent of my familiarity with fare basis. If you can give me a city pair, I can post the rules.
OT, what's the code used to put a long piece of text in it's own scroll box?
OT, what's the code used to put a long piece of text in it's own scroll box?
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:14 am
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My guess is an M fare that books into First (A). That's what the "MA00UP" part implies--I can't figure out what the different letters at the end of these fares mean, though (e.g., what does "NA" mean versus "RJ" in the last two spaces).
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:15 am
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Jul 5, 2009 | 11:21 am
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Code:
ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED [RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS] EXCURSION FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/COACH CLASS SERVICE. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS SEATS ARE LIMITED. [ELIGIBILITY] NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. [DAY/TIME] NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. [SEASONALITY] NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. [FLIGHT APPLICATION] FOR TRAVEL ON/BEFORE 30JUL09 THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DL FLIGHTS 1 THROUGH 1334 DL FLIGHTS 1400 THROUGH 5899 DL FLIGHTS 5931 THROUGH 6949 DL FLIGHTS 7550 THROUGH 8899 DL FLIGHTS 8940 THROUGH 9124 DL FLIGHTS 9285 THROUGH 9949 DL FLIGHTS 9955 THROUGH 9999 IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT. FOR TRAVEL ON/BEFORE 30JUL09 THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DL FLIGHTS 1 THROUGH 1334 DL FLIGHTS 1400 THROUGH 5899 DL FLIGHTS 5931 THROUGH 6949 DL FLIGHTS 7550 THROUGH 8899 DL FLIGHTS 8940 THROUGH 9124 DL FLIGHTS 9285 THROUGH 9949 DL FLIGHTS 9955 THROUGH 9999. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. 1. NO DELTA SHUTTLE. 2. NO CO FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 31JUL09 THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DL FLIGHTS 1 THROUGH 1334 DL FLIGHTS 1400 THROUGH 5899 DL FLIGHTS 5931 THROUGH 8899 DL FLIGHTS 8940 THROUGH 9949 DL FLIGHTS 9955 THROUGH 9999 IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT. FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 31JUL09 THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DL FLIGHTS 1 THROUGH 1334 DL FLIGHTS 1400 THROUGH 5899 DL FLIGHTS 5931 THROUGH 8899 DL FLIGHTS 8940 THROUGH 9949 DL FLIGHTS 9955 THROUGH 9999. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. 1. NO DELTA SHUTTLE. 2. NO CO [ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING] CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED BY MIDNIGHT 1 DAY AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED. SAME DAY CONFIRM/SDC - PASSENGERS HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND TICKETS MAY CONFIRM EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS BETWEEN SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION/ STOPOVER POINTS. NEW ITINERARY MAY NOT BE CONFIRMED MORE THAN 3 HOURS PRIOR TO DEPARTURE TIME OF NEW OUTBOUND FLIGHT. THE NEW ITINERARY MUST BE VALID FOR ORIGINAL FARE PURCHASED. SEE PENALTIES/VOLUNTARY CHANGES FOR COMPLETE RULES AND RESTRICTIONS. [MINIMUM STAY] NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. [MAXIMUM STAY] NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. [STOPOVERS] STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS. [TRANSFERS] IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL FROM/TO JRB/TSS AIRPORT. NO TRANSFERS PERMITTED. FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING - 2 ONLINE ON DL. FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. [COMBINATIONS] ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER DL/NW/AF/AZ/KL/OK OR FOR CARRIER AS. OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/END-ON-END FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS -TO FORM MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE BREAK POINTS PERMITTED. END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER DL/NW/ CO/UA/AA/AS OR FOR CARRIER F9/AC/YX/HA/US/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BWI-WAS FLL-MIA LAX-BUR LAX-ONT LAX-SNA NYC-EWR OAK-SFO OAK-SJC SFO-SJC [BLACKOUT DATES] NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. [SURCHARGES] IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER FARE COMPONENT. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL VIA HOU. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 1.40 WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. [ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL] ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. [TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS] NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY. [SALES RESTRICTIONS] NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. [PENALTIES] NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. -CHANGES ARE PERMITTED ANYTIME -ALL TKTS MUST BE REISSUED -CHANGES RESULTING IN A HIGHER FARE MUST BE ADD COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE -IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WITHOUT A CHANGE FEE -SAME DAY CONFIRM/SDC- PSGRS HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND TKTS MAY CONFIRM TRAVEL FOR AN EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY DL NONSTOP AND/OR CONNECTING FLIGHT/S BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN AND DESTINATION AIRPORTS AT NO CHARGE. NOTE - A. SEAT INVENTORY MUST BE AVAILABLE IN THE CABIN APPLICABLE TO THE FARE CHARGED. B. CHANGES PERMITTED TO OUTBOUND OR CONTINUING/ RETURN FLIGHTS C. FLIGHTS/S AND ROUTING MUST BE APPLICABLE FOR THE FARE CHARGED D. IF THE REQUESTED CHANGE IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR THE FARE PURCHASED IE INVAILD ROUTING/ AIRPORT/FLIGHT NUMBER/DEPARTURE TIME/ETC- THE CUSTOMER MAY UPGRADE TO A FARE THAT DOES PERMIT THOSE CHANGES USING NORMAL REISSUE PROCEDURES AND PAYING ANY FARE DIFFERENCE E. IF THE CUSTOMER REQUESTS THE CHANGE MORE THAN 3 HOURS PRIOR TO THE NEW FLIGHT DEPARTURE TIME THE CUSTOMER CAN CONFIRM ON A DIFFERENT FLIGHT ON THE SAME DAY OF TICKETED TRAVEL PAYING ANY APPLICABLE FARE DIFFERENCE TICKET REISSUE PROCEDURES I.CHANGES TO OUTBOUND PORTION OF UNUSED TKTS A. ISSUE A NEW TKT - CANCEL AND START OVER B. MUST USE CURRENT FARES C. VERIFY ALL RULES D. VALUE OF ORIGINAL TICKET MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET II.CHANGES TO CONTINUING/RETURN OF UNUSED TKTS A.ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE FARES AS TICKETED -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT -MUST BE ABLE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL FARES AS TICKETED FOR ALL FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED B. REPRICE KEEPING OUTBOUND FARES AND REPLACING CONTINUING/RETURN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY C. ISSUE A NEW TKT - CANCEL AND START OVER -MUST USE CURRENT FARES/VERIFY ALL RULES -VALUE OF ORIGINAL TKT MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET III. CHANGES TO PARTIALLY USED TKTS NOTE - MUST COMPLETE TRAVEL BY 1 YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE DATE A.ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE FARES AS TICKETED -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT -MUST BE ABLE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL FARES AS TICKETED FOR ALL FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY B. REPRICE KEEPING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY C.REPRICE REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS WITH HISTORICAL FARE/S IN AN EQUAL OR HIGHER BOOKING CLASS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY -REPLACEMENT FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE OF EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE AND BOOKING CLASS THAN THE ORIGINAL TKTD FARE -USE BOOKING CLASS HIERARCHY WHEN REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS THE HIERARCHY IS ECONOMY CLASS - Y B M H Q K L U T BUSINESS CLASS - J C D I FIRST CLASS - F A D. ISSUE A NEW TICKET -ORIGINAL TICKET HAS NO RESIDUAL VALUE -CALCULATE NEW TICKET USING CURRENT FARES -VALIDATE ALL RULES CANCELLATIONS PER TICKET CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR LOST TICKET. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NO SERVICE CHARGE WILL BE IMPOSED FOR MILITARY PASSENGERS WHEN TRANSPORTATION IS PAID WITH A U.S. GOVERNMENT TRANSPORTATION REQUEST FORM NO. 1169. [HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS] NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY. [TICKET ENDORSEMENTS] TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED. [CHILDREN DISCOUNTS] 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO CHARGE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN00. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR. [TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS] NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS. [AGENT DISCOUNTS] NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS. [ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS] NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS. [MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS] NO PROVISIONS APPLY. [FARE BY RULE] NOT APPLICABLE. [GROUPS] NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. [TOURS] NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. [VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY] NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. [DEPOSITS] NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. [VOLUNTARY CHANGES] ENTER RD*31 OR RD LINE NUM *31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS. [NEGOTIATED FARES] NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:23 am
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The R in "RJ" is for Refundable or Un-restricted
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:23 am
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Well M is meaningless in this case since the "UP" indicates this is a first-for-coach instant upgrade type fare so the booking class is going to be different from the first letter of the fare basis code.
Does the "A" indicate the true booking class of A? Possibly. Although other carriers' .UP fares don't use this convention.
The "00" likely advance purchase; in this case zero. So this is a walkup fare (subject, of course, to the inventory being available).
The "R" likely indicates refundable. An "N" in this position would normally indicate a non-refundable fare.
As for the terminating "J" this is pure speculation but it could have some internal meaning within DL Pricing in terms of alerting them to which pricing structure group it falls under (specific LCC fare structures, surcharge applicability, etc.)
Does the "A" indicate the true booking class of A? Possibly. Although other carriers' .UP fares don't use this convention.
The "00" likely advance purchase; in this case zero. So this is a walkup fare (subject, of course, to the inventory being available).
The "R" likely indicates refundable. An "N" in this position would normally indicate a non-refundable fare.
As for the terminating "J" this is pure speculation but it could have some internal meaning within DL Pricing in terms of alerting them to which pricing structure group it falls under (specific LCC fare structures, surcharge applicability, etc.)
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:31 am
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M is not completely meaningless.
As many FT'ers will attest, M is significant, particularly in an Irop when you're flight cancels and the next flight is an RJ or sold out in F and DL rebooks you in Y and claims it owes you zero compensation for the down-grade. This happens at all the legacies that offer these UP type fares.
As many FT'ers will attest, M is significant, particularly in an Irop when you're flight cancels and the next flight is an RJ or sold out in F and DL rebooks you in Y and claims it owes you zero compensation for the down-grade. This happens at all the legacies that offer these UP type fares.
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:36 am
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It was the OOUP that got me. I've had YUP, QUP, BUP but hadn't seen this one.
It's a MSY-ATL-MSY trip, booked for August.
It's a MSY-ATL-MSY trip, booked for August.
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:38 am
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M is not completely meaningless.
As many FT'ers will attest, M is significant, particularly in an Irop when you're flight cancels and the next flight is an RJ or sold out in F and DL rebooks you in Y and claims it owes you zero compensation for the down-grade. This happens at all the legacies that offer these UP type fares.
As many FT'ers will attest, M is significant, particularly in an Irop when you're flight cancels and the next flight is an RJ or sold out in F and DL rebooks you in Y and claims it owes you zero compensation for the down-grade. This happens at all the legacies that offer these UP type fares.
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:40 am
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You're right.
M does indicate a price relativity tho, more expensive than a QH but less expensive than YB
M does indicate a price relativity tho, more expensive than a QH but less expensive than YB
Jul 5, 2009 | 11:41 am
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Jul 5, 2009 | 11:42 am
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