Throw-Away Ticketing, Hidden City Ticketing, and Skipping Legs: The Definitive Thread
Jul 20, 2019, 7:08 pm
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UA has a form letter they send out along with a payment demand to those who do chronic hidden city ticketing.
I believe there have been a few of stories about AA doing it as well. Have not heard of any stories involving DL demanding payment.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28912152-post224.html
https://nomascoach.boardingarea.com/...h-collections/I believe there have been a few of stories about AA doing it as well. Have not heard of any stories involving DL demanding payment.
Jul 20, 2019, 7:18 pm
#752
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I understand this. I was replying to what poster before me posted.
Also DL wont be flying the bag anywhere even for money after it arrives at final destination. They dont allow you to simply ship a bag as the bag is now cargo, not a passenger's bag. For that you must use UPS/FEDEX/USPS/etc...
Also DL wont be flying the bag anywhere even for money after it arrives at final destination. They dont allow you to simply ship a bag as the bag is now cargo, not a passenger's bag. For that you must use UPS/FEDEX/USPS/etc...
Jul 20, 2019, 7:34 pm
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Where OP’s friend is going to get caught is unexpectedly being forced to check a bag at the gate to the final destination when all the bins are full. Then the friend is screwed.
Jul 20, 2019, 7:42 pm
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Jul 20, 2019, 7:55 pm
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The presumption that everyone who gets caught out in a fraud by an air carrier comes to FT to moan about it is misplaced. My guess is that the vast majority of people who do get bagged don't brag about it. The few who have posted here recently have been UA & AA experiences (in the US).
To me, the easiest approach is not to sue the passenger, but presuming that they have status or a significant balance in their FFP, just close it out. That may sting more than writing a check.
To me, the easiest approach is not to sue the passenger, but presuming that they have status or a significant balance in their FFP, just close it out. That may sting more than writing a check.
Jul 20, 2019, 8:04 pm
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If you fly hidden city without FFP involvement, the chance is not only DL, but most airlines won't lay a finger on you. While each airlines has massive data, it just takes too many works to sort out who's who. In many cases, it is not worth spending the resources to go after these people.
However, if you use FFP in anyway with hidden city, things will be easier for airlines, as they can trace back your flight history. Lawsuit or not, the very first thing the airlines can do is to revoke the membership and forfeit all miles/points.
Of course, people may say this may not even occur. But based on the news, airlines had sued. Airlines had revoked membership before.
Is it a risk you are willing to take? Not me for sure.
My 2 cents.
Jul 21, 2019, 1:42 am
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Bingo.
And also how to not get in a situation where forced to gate check.
Thanks for this! Will go read it all. .
Definitely - which is why I'm asking directly... maybe someone who has will see the thread and respond though.
Is this speculation? or based on any experience?
And also how to not get in a situation where forced to gate check.
UA has a form letter they send out along with a payment demand to those who do chronic hidden city ticketing.
I believe there have been a few of stories about AA doing it as well. Have not heard of any stories involving DL demanding payment.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28912152-post224.html
https://nomascoach.boardingarea.com/...h-collections/I believe there have been a few of stories about AA doing it as well. Have not heard of any stories involving DL demanding payment.
The presumption that everyone who gets caught out in a fraud by an air carrier comes to FT to moan about it is misplaced. My guess is that the vast majority of people who do get bagged don't brag about it. The few who have posted here recently have been UA & AA experiences (in the US).
To me, the easiest approach is not to sue the passenger, but presuming that they have status or a significant balance in their FFP, just close it out. That may sting more than writing a check.
To me, the easiest approach is not to sue the passenger, but presuming that they have status or a significant balance in their FFP, just close it out. That may sting more than writing a check.
It really depends on who you are.
If you fly hidden city without FFP involvement, the chance is not only DL, but most airlines won't lay a finger on you. While each airlines has massive data, it just takes too many works to sort out who's who. In many cases, it is not worth spending the resources to go after these people.
However, if you use FFP in anyway with hidden city, things will be easier for airlines, as they can trace back your flight history. Lawsuit or not, the very first thing the airlines can do is to revoke the membership and forfeit all miles/points.
Of course, people may say this may not even occur. But based on the news, airlines had sued. Airlines had revoked membership before.
Is it a risk you are willing to take? Not me for sure.
My 2 cents.
If you fly hidden city without FFP involvement, the chance is not only DL, but most airlines won't lay a finger on you. While each airlines has massive data, it just takes too many works to sort out who's who. In many cases, it is not worth spending the resources to go after these people.
However, if you use FFP in anyway with hidden city, things will be easier for airlines, as they can trace back your flight history. Lawsuit or not, the very first thing the airlines can do is to revoke the membership and forfeit all miles/points.
Of course, people may say this may not even occur. But based on the news, airlines had sued. Airlines had revoked membership before.
Is it a risk you are willing to take? Not me for sure.
My 2 cents.
Jul 21, 2019, 8:25 am
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And don't be late because something else happened...which is admittedly easier to control for Hidden City since presumably you are not making a connection that becomes "at risk." My gate checks always happen when a 45 min connection delays into a 20 min connection. I have turned to traveling backpack only in some situations to avoid this.
Jul 21, 2019, 8:27 am
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Jul 21, 2019, 9:10 am
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Jul 21, 2019, 9:35 am
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BA charged a travel agent for this when passengers the TA booked dropped the last leg of a trip a little too often.
No reports of any passengers being charged or having their BAEC accounts closed.
That's not to say no one has just no one came to flyer talk to complain about it / ask for advice
No reports of any passengers being charged or having their BAEC accounts closed.
That's not to say no one has just no one came to flyer talk to complain about it / ask for advice
Jul 21, 2019, 9:46 am
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If I am asked to gate check a bag, and need to short check it, I simply state such. There are many legitimate reasons for needing to have access to belongings (e.g medication that requires portable cooling device), but this is not Delta's business.
Jul 21, 2019, 10:32 am
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I thought they are required to unload the bag if you don't show for a flight. That's the law in many countries. In other words, bags arrives where you arrive.
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