Sep 28, 2023, 8:49 am
Delta rolling back some changes
Oct 3, 2023 | 9:03 am
#406
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: NYC/LA
Programs: DL DM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium/LTP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 9,817
Would be interesting if they made the Reserve benefits a la carte:
Every year, you get to chose from one of the below:
- Unlimited SkyClub Access OR
- Companion cert + 10 SkyClub passes
If you spend $75k each year, then you get the second option
Every year, you get to chose from one of the below:
- Unlimited SkyClub Access OR
- Companion cert + 10 SkyClub passes
If you spend $75k each year, then you get the second option
Oct 3, 2023 | 12:05 pm
#407
Moderator: Delta SkyMiles
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hotlanta.
Programs: DL (duh), AA 1MM, Bonvoy Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 8,791
Im very aware. The poster I responded to was lamenting possibly breaking a relationship the reality is its a transactional relationship. Its time to break free when the value received is less than the value paid.
Oct 3, 2023 | 4:32 pm
#408
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: On the run
Programs: DL 2MM/DM, Hilton LT Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Marriot Titanium
Posts: 1,277
7 days have past and no news, including either leaks or rumors of possible rollback changes. Hearing crickets from Atlanta GA.
Oct 3, 2023 | 4:45 pm
#409
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,598
I think they will cut the EQD increase by 50%, and increase SC visits by 100%.
and Ill be sampling B6 via the Mosaic 4 status match.
Last edited by shoodawg; Oct 3, 2023 at 4:56 pm
Oct 3, 2023 | 4:48 pm
#410
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: PIT, BWI, or IPT
Programs: Dividend Miles, WorldPerks
Posts: 1,355
I already cancelled my DL Amex primary spend card I have used for the past 14 years and moved some transatlantic flights from DL to B6 over the next few months (never thought I would say that! Lol)
This frog already had one foot out of the pot...now I am hopping away. Lol
I could be seduced by a sexy DL gold card offer for free luggage once I lose Covid-PM status and 15% off SkyPesos redemptions next year, but that would be a churn and burn card. No other changes really would work on me now.
This frog already had one foot out of the pot...now I am hopping away. Lol
I could be seduced by a sexy DL gold card offer for free luggage once I lose Covid-PM status and 15% off SkyPesos redemptions next year, but that would be a churn and burn card. No other changes really would work on me now.
Oct 3, 2023 | 5:11 pm
#411
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: NYC/LA
Programs: DL DM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium/LTP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 9,817
That sounds drastic at first, but comparing to AAs 2023 numbers for renewals (as they havent announced 2024 yet), it would still be a bit higher for every level except for silvers.
50% decrease in MQD increase would be (and someone please check my math here):
4,500 / 10,000 / 15,000 / 27,500
Whereas AA for renewals is (keep in mind its easier to renew an existing level at AA than to earn it):
5,714 / 9,375 / 13,888 / 18,181
50% decrease in MQD increase would be (and someone please check my math here):
4,500 / 10,000 / 15,000 / 27,500
Whereas AA for renewals is (keep in mind its easier to renew an existing level at AA than to earn it):
5,714 / 9,375 / 13,888 / 18,181
Oct 3, 2023 | 5:18 pm
#412
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 2MM 1K
Posts: 16,604
I recall reading the phrase "In the coming weeks". Haven't gotten to the "s", yet. There were a myriad of changes. I'm pretty sure they're working through them in a thoughtful manner (considering their objectives and program members' desires weren't in sync - to say the least). Reduced club visits are still a given. Increased Medallion hurdles are still a given.
Last edited by IAH-OIL-TRASH; Oct 3, 2023 at 5:24 pm
Oct 3, 2023 | 5:26 pm
#413
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: NYC, SEA
Programs: Hyatt Glob, AA EXP, BA Silver
Posts: 1,019
I recall reading the phrase "In the coming weeks". Haven't gotten to the "s", yet. There were a myriad of changes. I'm pretty sure they're working through them in a thoughtful manner (considering their objectives and program members' desires weren't in sync - to say the least). Reduced club visits are still a given. Increased Medallion hurdles are still a given.
Oct 3, 2023 | 5:56 pm
#414
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 6,500
I think youre dreaming about the 50% MQD reduction. DL and Amex spent months in collaboration researching and deciding on this. Maybe DM will go down to $30k-$32.5k but DL has drawn their line in the sand that there are too many elites and they wont back down.
Last edited by sydneyracquelle; Oct 4, 2023 at 2:08 pm
Oct 3, 2023 | 6:13 pm
#415
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 1,249
don't hold your breath.
Oct 3, 2023 | 7:41 pm
#416
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: DL DM 2MM, Marriott LT Titanium, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 17,206
Well in the meantime, I hope former loyal elites keep canceling/downgrading their cards and reducing spend on DL. Only way the corporate office will care is if they take a big hit in the revenue department.
Oct 3, 2023 | 7:44 pm
#417
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC (LGA, JFK), CT
Programs: Delta Platinum, American Gold, JetBlue Mosaic 4, Marriott Platinum, Hyatt Explorist, Hilton Diamond,
Posts: 5,116
Honestly the original changes go into effect in months so I dont think there is any rush. Delta does report earnings next Thursday so I do think they could have changed out before then so analysts can review the changes
Oct 3, 2023 | 9:57 pm
#419
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 113
RE: Amex Loyalty
This is going to sound corny, but I just like Amex. It's one of the great American brands, has a wonderful history, backed by the world's greatest investor (IMHO), closed loop system, and became a cardmember in my own right since freshman year in college. I realize the Amex today is not the one I had come of age with, but I still remember the one from long ago, and those memories will likely take a lifetime to break.
In the context of this thread, if there's any loyalty here, mine would be to Amex, not DL. I mean, an airline is basically a flying bus getting me from point A to point B.
This is going to sound corny, but I just like Amex. It's one of the great American brands, has a wonderful history, backed by the world's greatest investor (IMHO), closed loop system, and became a cardmember in my own right since freshman year in college. I realize the Amex today is not the one I had come of age with, but I still remember the one from long ago, and those memories will likely take a lifetime to break.
In the context of this thread, if there's any loyalty here, mine would be to Amex, not DL. I mean, an airline is basically a flying bus getting me from point A to point B.
Oct 4, 2023 | 7:07 am
#420
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: AMS
Programs: Delta Skymiles - Platinum; 0,5MM; Hertz - President's Circle; Expedia - Gold
Posts: 757
If I had to guess, this was a lot of people. Diverting $25k/yr in spend is probably easy (even at lousy earning rates).
Yet another problem that DL is facing is that for $100k on spend on a $90-100-tier card (outside of the airline), you get:
-With United: 100-125k RDMs (the Explorer card has a 2x category for dining, hotels, etc.), two lounge passes, and 1k PQPs (not great - you can do more with other CCs - but not zero), plus the usual free checked bag, etc.
-With American: 100-125k RDMs (the Citi AAdvantage card in this tier has restaurants as a bonus category), 100k LPs (Platinum and 80% of the way to Plat Pro), a $125 discount, some earning bonuses, the free checked bag, etc.
-With Amtrak: 100-125k RDMs, 20k TQPs (enough for Select Executive)
-With Delta: 100-125k RDMs, a free checked bag, and a turd on the status end of things.
Even over at Hyatt, $100k on the CC will give you (20*2)+5=45 nights (mid-tier status and 3/4 of the way to Globalist) alongside two free nights. I forget the intermediate tiers it covers you for.
[I'm picking on this tier because [i]everyone has one in that general $75-125 ballpark, and most are $95/99.]
Yet another problem that DL is facing is that for $100k on spend on a $90-100-tier card (outside of the airline), you get:
-With United: 100-125k RDMs (the Explorer card has a 2x category for dining, hotels, etc.), two lounge passes, and 1k PQPs (not great - you can do more with other CCs - but not zero), plus the usual free checked bag, etc.
-With American: 100-125k RDMs (the Citi AAdvantage card in this tier has restaurants as a bonus category), 100k LPs (Platinum and 80% of the way to Plat Pro), a $125 discount, some earning bonuses, the free checked bag, etc.
-With Amtrak: 100-125k RDMs, 20k TQPs (enough for Select Executive)
-With Delta: 100-125k RDMs, a free checked bag, and a turd on the status end of things.
Even over at Hyatt, $100k on the CC will give you (20*2)+5=45 nights (mid-tier status and 3/4 of the way to Globalist) alongside two free nights. I forget the intermediate tiers it covers you for.
[I'm picking on this tier because [i]everyone has one in that general $75-125 ballpark, and most are $95/99.]