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demkr Sep 5, 2023 4:02 pm

if they go to a pure "points system," Hopefully they won't change the generous partner marketed/operated MQM earnings. I've got a couple long haul biz flights next year booked on partners.

United capped the amount of points earned when booking w/ partners back in 2020

xliioper Sep 5, 2023 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by demkr (Post 35556532)
if they go to a pure "points system," Hopefully they won't change the generous partner marketed/operated MQM earnings. I've got a couple long haul biz flights next year booked on partners.

United capped the amount of points earned when booking w/ partners back in 2020

Partner marketed flights generally earn the same MQM as DL marketed flights. Perhaps you are thinking of MQD/mileage earn? Most likely, they will do away with MQM/MQDs and replace them with something like MQPs (and convert existing rollover MQM balances into MQPs). I would expect mileage/MQP earn on partner marketed flights to continue to be mileaged based (just like AA LP earn on partners).

dw Sep 5, 2023 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 35556531)
How exactly would this work between flight spend and Amex spend? I am not familiar with AA/UA.?

On AA spend itself directly contributes to earning elite status; now on the Citi AA Exec Card (the one w lounge access), there are also boosts built in. On UA, there are certain thresholds for card spending that give you boosts.

krazykanuck Sep 5, 2023 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by Pianoman109876 (Post 35556530)
Ok, let’s think this thru.
in the last month we’ve heard rumors that:

1.) Plat and Reserve going to limited SC entry.
2.) MQMs going away
3.) Annual fee on Reserve going up
4.) MQD waiver going up to $75k.

can you honestly imagine delta doing all of these in one swoop?

Honestly, from a communications standpoint it's almost better to rip off the band aid and piss off everybody all at once rather than do it piecemeal

TuxTom Sep 5, 2023 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 35556480)
I can't imagine DL would be sending out that sort of dramatic communication (man the battlestations!) for a increase in the AMEX waiver. FT's concern about the AMEX waiver has always been outsized. There's this mythical DL customer who spends tons of money on the DL cards but doesn't fly DL and is somehow less of a DL medallion than people who fly all the time.

Moving to one spend-based metric is the logical move and a more significant change. I don't love it, but DL has pretty clearly defined what they want out of their customers.

Agree. I don’t think they would need special training for staff just for an increase in MQD waiver. That’s pretty self explanatory so most customers I think would figure it out.

A whole new medallion qualification system similar to UA or AAs changes would require a lot of staff training because I’m sure they will be getting questions all day every day for months.

xliioper Sep 5, 2023 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by Pianoman109876 (Post 35556530)
Ok, let’s think this thru.
in the last month we’ve heard rumors that:

1.) Plat and Reserve going to limited SC entry.
2.) MQMs going away
3.) Annual fee on Reserve going up
4.) MQD waiver going up to $75k.

can you honestly imagine delta doing all of these in one swoop?

If they are going to a points system, there is no need for either MQM or MQD (or MQD Waivers). If they were to copy AA, they would just create something like MQP to replace them both. They could convert any rollover MQM balances to MQP and just start doing MQP rollover instead of MQM rollover for excess MQP at the end of the year.

shoodawg Sep 5, 2023 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by xliioper (Post 35556586)
If they are going to a points system, there is no need for either MQM or MQD (or MQD Waivers). If they were to copy AA, they would just create something like MQP to replace them both. They could convert any rollover MQM balances to MQP and just start doing MQP rollover instead of MQM rollover for excess MQP at the end of the year.

And this could explain why they don’t seem to be prioritizing fixing the e-credit mqd/mqm/rdm IT issues.

demkr Sep 5, 2023 4:31 pm

I'm fine with going to a mile-less qualification system. But with some obvious questions on how the program moves forward.

1) How would it effect rollover MQM for 2025? (Conversion to a set amount of points?)
2) How would it effect earning on partners?
*(If they copy UA on this and cap earning on these flights, as UA has, to 1500 points per flight segment, it would be *terrible* for most long haul biz tickets which from the west coast are easily $4.5-5K. - will be really annoyed if they do this).
3) Would they switch to an AA-style or UA-style qualification system, where AA offers tons of flexibility based on CC spend on the ground. UA has spending thresholds with boosters.

sydneyracquelle Sep 5, 2023 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by Pianoman109876 (Post 35556530)
Ok, let’s think this thru.
in the last month we’ve heard rumors that:

1.) Plat and Reserve going to limited SC entry.
2.) MQMs going away
3.) Annual fee on Reserve going up
4.) MQD waiver going up to $75k.

can you honestly imagine delta doing all of these in one swoop?

The whole Medallion system is currently a joke with everyone swimming in rollover MQMs and a very low $25k Amex waiver to make PM indefinitely. When everyone is PM no one is PM.

matchbox20_is Sep 5, 2023 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 35556602)
The whole Medallion system is currently a joke with everyone swimming in rollover MQMs and a very low $25k Amex waiver to make PM indefinitely. When everyone is PM no one is PM.

This is me. I fly enough for FO and will have 5 years of PM because of that generosity if nothing is changed.

lsquare Sep 5, 2023 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by xliioper (Post 35556557)
Partner marketed flights generally earn the same MQM as DL marketed flights. Perhaps you are thinking of MQD/mileage earn? Most likely, they will do away with MQM/MQDs and replace them with something like MQPs (and convert existing rollover MQM balances into MQPs). I would expect mileage/MQP earn on partner marketed flights to continue to be mileaged based (just like AA LP earn on partners).


Originally Posted by xliioper (Post 35556586)
If they are going to a points system, there is no need for either MQM or MQD (or MQD Waivers). If they were to copy AA, they would just create something like MQP to replace them both. They could convert any rollover MQM balances to MQP and just start doing MQP rollover instead of MQM rollover for excess MQP at the end of the year.

How will this affect DL's LT program?

beachmouse Sep 5, 2023 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by matchbox20_is (Post 35556637)
This is me. I fly enough for FO and will have 5 years of PM because of that generosity if nothing is changed.

It’s me as well. I was hoping to float along as a PM until we move to Denver in a couple of years but eh, I can go back to free agent ing it again if need be.

CaliguyNYC Sep 5, 2023 5:08 pm

My issue with United’s system is there is no benefit for flying on premium fares (like first class). Also they are huge in Asia/OZ which have such expensive J tickets like 2 round trips gets you 1K. Add to that there a lot of Global Service (while Delta 360 seems like a small pool) - so 1K Is not really equal to Diamond

VFR Sep 5, 2023 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35556640)
How will this affect DL's LT program?

AA and UA continued tracking BIS flown miles for lifetime status. DL could continue the current MQM earning chart solely for lifetime status, could switch to BIS miles, or could base it on the new system.

Incidentally, I do think DL will switch to a loyalty points system similar to what AA and B6 have (and UA will tune their PQP program to similarly value card spending), because under the current system people who don't spend $25k/year on credit cards to earn the MQD waiver are not particularly incentivized to spend money on them besides earning SkyMiles. For personal spending, $25k/year is a lot to put on a credit card unless you put rent / mortgage payments on it, and not everyone can/wants to put business expenses on their personal card and be reimbursed. A continuous points earning system instead of a cut-off means DL can capture some of the $10k/year spenders who might otherwise use a 2% cash back card – the fact elite status is hard to put a dollar value on (and most people over-value it) helps make up for the lower value of SkyMiles.

RobertS975 Sep 5, 2023 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 35556386)
I wonder what they’ll do to very heavy Amex spenders ($250k+) who don’t fly that much. Currently someone can sit home all year and fly just 5,000 miles and earn DM if they have 2 Reserve cards (business and personal).

A Diamond who seldom actually flies makes a lot of money for Delta, right?


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