jamesteroh

Unfortunately for me Delta always uses gate b51 or b53 when I fly JFK to DTW. I wish they had a tram to go to the far gates like DTW.

I love the speakeasy at the JFK CL and having food on actual plates and easy access to a seat in a quiet area if I want to do work.. I like the skydeck at JFK when the weather is nice though and they have a bigger food selection.

ijgordon

It wasn’t at the beginning of September. Just the T4-T2 route.

synergistic

Confirmed only B18-T2 today - hubs was not impressed with me for not discovering this thread in advance. The map on the Delta site still shows the original route, but no text alongside it - I should have done more than a quick Google search before deciding against wheelchair assistance =/

steveholt

Only on FT would there be a thread with people talking about how they miss T2 and T3 in JFK because they have to walk a bunch in T4. I agree that the intra-T4 bus returning would be helpful, especially with DL returning towards full operations as we get further removed from the spring of 2020, but it's just walking.

flyerCO

"it's just walking" you say? Well just walking a few gates can tire my lungs out since having CV19. It's months later and still is an issue. Plenty of people have disabilities. They don't necessarily need wheelchairs and like to try and be independent aa possible. The extra stop can be difference between being independent or needing to be dependent on assistance. (Which are short staffed)

HeadInTheClouds

It's really inexcusable that the maps still show it operating after being out of service this long. As I posted upthread last SUMMER, I was mightily annoyed to walk to the end of the terminal just to have to turn around and make the entire trek back to the front. I can't believe that is still happening.

I have no issue with walking in terminals, but the above absolutely tested my patience with T4.

Crossinator

T4 is more than "just walking" lol

jamesteroh

I don't mind walking and if I'm at an end gate at DTW I will normally walk it instead of using the tram.

But at JFK that is a heck of a walk if you are flowing out of the end B gates if you have mobility issues or are have a lot of luggage or have a tight connection and the gates are at opposite ends of the concourse or one flight is out of the end gates at T4 and the other is at T2.

It's also a pain on the DTW flights that use 50s gate when you make the long walk from the Am Ex lounge to find out the board hadn't been updated and the plane isn't even there, at least in DTW you are near a skyclub at an end gate, it's a pain to make the walk back to the skyclub and back to the gate if the delay is long enough you want to hang out there.

Not sure how cutting out that one stop is making things safer. I think it's just a cost cutting measure using covid as an excuse like Delta is using for the boxed food and plastic glasses and no PDB in first.

The JFK website should at least get updated to show that stop no longer exists.

steveholt

It is a long walk, that's true. I also think every conversation I see about the distance in T4 suggests that every single connection people seem to have is from the very end of T4 all the way to T2, when that's not realistically the case. I also think that distance making people nostalgic for T2 (which still exists) and T3 (which was an absolute dump) is a reminder of our capacity to be nostalgic about things we were complaining about when they were the only option.

Is the argument for cutting the T4 stop that it's safer? I was under the impression that it had been removed because those gates weren't being used quite as frequently with the reduction in traffic and hadn't yet been restored. I agree 100% that there's no safety argument for not having the stop.

Buster CT1K

Yeah there are many reasons to dislike T4. Very long walks and inadequately staffed Sky Priority check in desks.

jamesteroh

Delta seems to use Covid/Safety as an excuse for all the other service cuts like no PDB and those awful box meals and disposable glasses in domestic F and closing the showers in the skyclub so wouldn't surprise me if that's the excuse they have for eliminating that stop to avoid paying another employee to man that top., I'm sure Delta is the one paying for the Jitney not the port authority. And there are still plenty of flights from the end gates. I've flown JFK/DTW four times since May and every time it's been a gate number in the 50s. They seem to use only the end gates for Regionals. The jfk airport site is still showing the b54 stop, they need to update that.

NYKT

NYKT

When you say a mile, you’re not kidding! Even when the moving sidewalks work, they are so short as to be useless. Heaven forbid they go past a store! You are never on a moving sidewalk past a restaurant or store. I’m landing at B53 in a few minutes and it will take me 20-25 minutes to get to baggage claim walking as fast as I can. Why are there not more golf carts? I HATE Terminal 4 and would gladly switch airlines to avoid it.

golfr

I'm starting to love LGA. JFK is ok for trans-continentals but for shorter flights, I always look at LGA first now.

ND76

I would say that I like the new A gates and the accompanying SkyClub. The only problem for me is that someone in Delta management is Cleveland-phobic, so flights to or fron CLE end up at gate A21, at the far end of the A gates (when they are not arriving at gate B55).