Delta orders 30 More Airbus A321neo

Old Aug 24, 2021, 7:43 am
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Delta orders 30 More Airbus A321neo

Delta has converted 30 more 321neo purchase rights into firm orders. Now 155 on order for delivery beginning in 2022. Combined with the ceo fleet, Delta will operate a total of 282 A321s. Still 70 more purchase rights un-exercised.

https://news.delta.com/delta-continu...irbus-a321neos

Probably unrelated but Delta pilots lost a major arbitration yesterday related to regional scope. That may mean a new regional jet order/agreement here shortly.
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Old Aug 24, 2021, 8:04 am
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Do you have a link to the arbitration announcement? Be interested to read more as a frequent flyer of a busy regional airport stuck with too many 50 seaters each day still....
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The A321s are orders of magnitude better than the 739s. It's a shame they don't have 2L boarding like the 752s, but it's not the end of the world.

Happy to see more of them joining the fleet.
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I perused a couple of pilot forums and wasn't able to find details on the arbitration ruling other than something about 35 RJs for endeavor and a bunch of unhappy pilots.

Whatever the case, something is going to have to give on scope, with the tuna cans going away, no more CR7 and CR9 production, and E2 jets having too high an MTOW to meet scope.

Also thrilled to see more 321neos to dilute the outrageously large pool of 739. Just hoping they don't use these birds for TATL.
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Old Aug 24, 2021, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by ekozie
I perused a couple of pilot forums and wasn't able to find details on the arbitration ruling other than something about 35 RJs for endeavor and a bunch of unhappy pilots.
Starts at post 58. Unhappy pilots would be an understatement. https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...r-rules-6.html
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I guess its better than 737s. Otherwise, meh.
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It would be nice if DL would create a couple of 75S style A321's with some D1 seats up front.
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Old Aug 24, 2021, 9:36 am
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It would be nice if DL would create a couple of 75S style A321's with some D1 seats up front.
A321XLRs would make a lot of sense.
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Awesome. I find the a320 series a lot more comfortable than the 737s for whatever reason. This will be a great addition.
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Originally Posted by DLASflyer
Starts at post 58. Unhappy pilots would be an understatement. https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...r-rules-6.html
That's the thread I was reading. Other than something about 35 RJs, I wasn't able to extract many details though. Are those RJs that are within the hard limit but parked because not enough mainline jets are flying to maintain the ratio?

edit: some sleuthing - seems to be related to Compass flow-down rights for mainline pilots and the lack of flow-down ability due to the closure of Compass. http://dalscope.org/2020/10/22/new-s...aft-fleet-cap/

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Originally Posted by sethMCOflyer
Awesome. I find the a320 series a lot more comfortable than the 737s for whatever reason.
7 inches makes a big difference.

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In cabin width. It's hardly a mystery why the A320 is generally considered more comfortable. Not all airlines use the extra width in the same way, Allegiant puts the extra 7" of width in the aisle, their A320's have a really wide aisle and similar seat width to the 737.
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Let's hope they have enough pilots for all the new planes.
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Let's hope they have enough pilots for all the new planes.
Best of luck to them on that front with the 1500hr/ATP rule in the US.
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Originally Posted by DCAproducer
It would be nice if DL would create a couple of 75S style A321's with some D1 seats up front.
The A321neo should be capable of flying TATL too. The 75S fills a nice niche in Delta's fleet, but they're starting to get old. Also great aircraft for the customer - the 75S has generous legroom in coach and lots of comfort seats so the comp upgrade to Comfort is easy to get.
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That's the thread I was reading. Other than something about 35 RJs, I wasn't able to extract many details though. Are those RJs that are within the hard limit but parked because not enough mainline jets are flying to maintain the ratio?

edit: some sleuthing - seems to be related to Compass flow-down rights for mainline pilots and the lack of flow-down ability due to the closure of Compass. New Scope Concerns: 76-Seat Aircraft Fleet Cap | Scope Matters
From Aero Crew News:

"Delta and Endeavor Air’s pilot flow agreement stands. An arbitrator has upheld Delta’s pilot flow agreement with Endeavor, and Delta’s decision to return 35 76 RJs to service, stating the company did not need mainline pilot approval to transfer the contested LOA (enabling the above) between regional carriers."

Some background from the ALPA: http://dalscope.org/2020/10/22/new-s...aft-fleet-cap/

Mods, you might want to split this into a separate thread since it seems the mainline order is separate from the scope issue.
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