JFK-SFO DeltaOne is Not Competitive
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JFK-SFO DeltaOne is Not Competitive
With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive. I'm going to NYC a lot more now that COVID's winding down and haven't booked a flight on DL in spite of being a PM. Any plans to upgrade or at least go to 1-2-1 like JFK-LAX?
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With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive. I'm going to NYC a lot more now that COVID's winding down and haven't booked a flight on DL in spite of being a PM. Any plans to upgrade or at least go to 1-2-1 like JFK-LAX?
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The D1 soft product is suffering as well. Moreover, when AA reopens its Flagship Lounges and UA, it's Polaris Lounges, DL faces an on-ground problems with its sole lounge offering,
It's all going to come down to pricing. and frequencies (until those ramp back up).
It's all going to come down to pricing. and frequencies (until those ramp back up).
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With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive.
Moreover, when AA reopens its Flagship Lounges and UA, it's Polaris Lounges, DL faces an on-ground problems with its sole lounge offering,
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With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive. I'm going to NYC a lot more now that COVID's winding down and haven't booked a flight on DL in spite of being a PM. Any plans to upgrade or at least go to 1-2-1 like JFK-LAX?
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With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive. I'm going to NYC a lot more now that COVID's winding down and haven't booked a flight on DL in spite of being a PM. Any plans to upgrade or at least go to 1-2-1 like JFK-LAX?
You're correct. UA only offers United Club access to its transcon J passengers. Polaris is only for international.
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I think you can make a case that EWR might be better in some cases, but there's a reason that UA had a big campaign in NYC over the last few years trying to convince folks EWR is closer. At the very least, the perception is that JFK is a better option, and that's going to influence purchasing.
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All the more reason to not become captive to one carrier. Evaluate what is important to you, e.g. hard & soft product, price, schedule, and airport. Make a choice based on the factors affecting your trip and grab that ticket. Whether it's DL, AA or UA, there are varying degrees of premium-ness right now (AA F & J differ in hard product only, with no Flagship Lounge and onboard meal service the same for the 2 classes). As others note, AS is way behind the back with a standard domestic F seat, but may have advantageous pricing.
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Well, it's not even comparable at the moment, with DL serving pre-packaged snack boxes vs. AA's one tray hot meals followed by self serve snack baskets + the full beverage cart.
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Your choice on this route is generally between three snack boxes, along with beer or wine and water. There are no meals, even on Transcon D1 routes between JFK and LAX/SFO or other transcon D1 routes between the East Coast and West Coast. The only domestic D1 routes receiving meals are ATL-HNL and MSP-HNL.
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It is the same consistent catering offering as on E175 RJ segments of a certain minimum length.
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With the return of AA's 321T and UA now running 767's with Polaris to EWR, not to mention returning to JFK, the 2x2 DeltaOne 757 has become fairly uncompetitive. I'm going to NYC a lot more now that COVID's winding down and haven't booked a flight on DL in spite of being a PM. Any plans to upgrade or at least go to 1-2-1 like JFK-LAX?
If that isn't the case then the Delta 757 seat in C is literally exactly the same seat as the AA 321T C seat. So I'm confused.
I think in terms of hard product, the apt comparison between AA and DL is the J cabin, not AA F. In that regard, the hard product is essentially identical between DL's 757 and AA's A321T. Soft product-wise, I do think, despite Delta's better overall branding and image, AA offers a higher quality onboard transcon product in business class than Delta.
You're correct. UA only offers United Club access to its transcon J passengers. Polaris is only for international.
You're correct. UA only offers United Club access to its transcon J passengers. Polaris is only for international.
I bet those same people crap themselves when they figure out Y is way worse than both. God help them if they have to fly G4/NK/F9.
You could argue Delta has the market because of the middle seat blocking. IMO that is much more valuable to me than airplane food.