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Reuters: Boeing Offers Delta 40 737 MAX White Tails

Reuters: Boeing Offers Delta 40 737 MAX White Tails

Old Oct 1, 2020, 12:48 pm
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Reuters: Boeing Offers Delta 40 737 MAX White Tails

Boeing is reportedly offering Delta a great deal on 40 737 MAX that were ordered, produced and never delivered to other customers. Delta does not currently have any outstanding orders with The Boeing Company.

https://www.reuters.com/article/boei...-idUSKBN26M5JK
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:11 pm
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Does DL even need another 40 MAXs right now with depressed traffic and the need the conserve cash? They have plenty of 737NGs and A320/321s.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:12 pm
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I assume this would be a straight swap in exchange for ending the 717 leases
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Duke787
I assume this would be a straight swap in exchange for ending the 717 leases
What does Boeing get out of that deal? Delta would need to pay to terminate the 717 leases early, not the other way around. Unless you mean that the 737MAX essentially inherit the 717 lease terms and Delta gets them instead of the 717s? Such a deal sounds too good to be true.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Duke787
I assume this would be a straight swap in exchange for ending the 717 leases
Wait so Delta stops paying on 91 undesirable airplanes early and gets 40 new ones for free? Boeing has made some mistakes lately but I don't think they would do that.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:24 pm
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As an aside, I'm not sure I even understand why Boeing is shopping these around. I realize that there are a lot of various configuration options that make each airline's 737s unique, but given that Boeing has stopped the production for two years their backlog must be behind - even with the COVID order cancellations. I'd assume it'd be easier to re-allocate these to future delivery slots rather than shop them to new customers.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by ethernal
What does Boeing get out of that deal? Delta would need to pay to terminate the 717 leases early, not the other way around. Unless you mean that the 737MAX essentially inherit the 717 lease terms and Delta gets them instead of the 717s? Such a deal sounds too good to be true.
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Wait so Delta stops paying on 91 undesirable airplanes early and gets 40 new ones for free? Boeing has made some mistakes lately but I don't think they would do that.
Id assume that any deal between Boeing and DL would mean that Boeing would take off the early lease termination fee in exchange for DL paying and taking over new 737MAX.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 2:19 pm
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Id assume that any deal between Boeing and DL would mean that Boeing would take off the early lease termination fee in exchange for DL paying and taking over new 737MAX.
And showing a vote of confidence toward the future of the MAX program.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 3:06 pm
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Please no. One of the reasons why I chose Delta for my trips was because there were no such infamous planes.

Ill not set my foot on these planes ever.
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by smartytravel
Please no. One of the reasons why I chose Delta for my trips was because there were no such infamous planes.

Ill not set my foot on these planes ever.
And would the cabin config be better than the 737-9? Customers don't want to fly them, would the MAX be better?
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Old Oct 1, 2020, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by ethernal
What does Boeing get out of that deal? Delta would need to pay to terminate the 717 leases early, not the other way around. Unless you mean that the 737MAX essentially inherit the 717 lease terms and Delta gets them instead of the 717s? Such a deal sounds too good to be true.
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And showing a vote of confidence toward the future of the MAX program.
+1. Boeing gets a big vote of confidence from DL and DL gets out of their 717 leases for free and acquires 737Max for what I would assume is pennies on the dollar.

DL also now has a nice bargaining chip with Airbus in discussing delays to A220, A321, A339, and A359 deliveries. I doubt DL actually takes these 737Max, too much headache IMO, but they could certainly leverage it into more palatable delivery timeframe from Airbus for what they've already got on order.
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There's no way Delta buys them. Delta is transitioning to an all Airbus fleet. They have only retired Boeing aircraft and they announced even more retirements to 2025. The only fleet left will likely be the 739.
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Originally Posted by mot29
And would the cabin config be better than the 737-9? Customers don't want to fly them, would the MAX be better?
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There's no way Delta buys them. Delta is transitioning to an all Airbus fleet. They have only retired Boeing aircraft and they announced even more retirements to 2025. The only fleet left will likely be the 739.
Theyd certainly have to configure a MAX 9 better. Maybe lie flats for the transcon markets?

How easily could they reconfigure the 739s? Putting in a midcabin lavatory and expanding C+ would be a very positive start. Im not sure how they can work on the air flow system, but UA doesnt seem to have as bad of issues with theirs.
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Originally Posted by allseas1586
Theyd certainly have to configure a MAX 9 better. Maybe lie flats for the transcon markets?

How easily could they reconfigure the 739s? Putting in a midcabin lavatory and expanding C+ would be a very positive start. Im not sure how they can work on the air flow system, but UA doesnt seem to have as bad of issues with theirs.
Why would they have to? My guess is they keep the cabin identical (obviously this is a guess into an unlikely hypothetical that Delta actually procures these frames). Delta loves consistency of experience (even if that experience is poor) and it would reduce expenses since everything is identical. What's not to love?

It can of course be done (see: the 757) but most lieflats on narrowbodies today are designed for the A320 frame which is a bit wider than the 737.
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