Delta to retire 717, 767-300ER and CRJ-200
Sep 25, 2020, 5:08 pm
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Delta to retire 717, 767-300ER and CRJ-200
All 119 CRJ200s gone by year end 2023.
All 54 767-300ERs gone by year end 2025.
All 91 717s gone by year end 2025.
All 54 767-300ERs gone by year end 2025.
All 91 717s gone by year end 2025.
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Sep 25, 2020, 5:26 pm
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Say goodbye to TXL, NCE, MUC, DUS, STR, ZRH, etc and any non-hub to CDG/AMS.
Boeing will take Delta to court over the 717 leases unless Delta agreed to pay them until they run out, which is well beyond 2025.
Boeing will take Delta to court over the 717 leases unless Delta agreed to pay them until they run out, which is well beyond 2025.
Sep 25, 2020, 5:28 pm
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This is from Delta's form 8K:
Item 2.06 Material Impairments. Delta has decided to retire the company’s Boeing 717-200 aircraft and the remainder of its 767-300ER aircraft by December 2025 and its CRJ-200 aircraft by December 2023, earlier than previously scheduled. These plans are another step in Delta’s fleet simplification strategy, which is intended to streamline and modernize Delta’s fleet, enhance the customer experience, and generate cost savings. As a result of this determination, Delta evaluated its Boeing 717-200 and CRJ-200 aircraft as well as the remainder of its Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for impairment and, on September 23, 2020, concluded that the carrying value of these aircraft was no longer recoverable when compared to their estimated remaining future cash flows. Consequently, during the September 2020 quarter, Delta expects to record non-cash impairment charges associated with these aircraft. Although the actual amount of the charges has not yet been finalized, Delta expects the aggregate impairment and other related charges to be in a range from $2.0 billion and $2.5 billion, before tax. An immaterial amount associated with the charges is expected to result in future cash expenditures. Delta may continue to consider further opportunities for early aircraft retirements in an effort to modernize and simplify its fleet.
Sep 25, 2020, 6:06 pm
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I'm going to miss the 717s (mostly because it's the last remnant of the DC9/MD80/MD90 line which I remember flying on PMNW) - though I'm looking forward to the A220s that will presumably replace them (I enjoyed my flights on those so far).
While I'm not shedding any tears over the loss of CRJ2s, I'm similarly curious what will happen to the smaller stations that only receive CRJ2 service. Do they go up to CRJ7s and E70s? I don't suppose there's a chance that DL adds a new regional jet configuration if they're looking to simplify their fleet.
What routes are the 767-300ERs used on? I'm still a big fan of the 2-3-2 seating in Y, and will be sad to see fewer of these in the fleet.
While I'm not shedding any tears over the loss of CRJ2s, I'm similarly curious what will happen to the smaller stations that only receive CRJ2 service. Do they go up to CRJ7s and E70s? I don't suppose there's a chance that DL adds a new regional jet configuration if they're looking to simplify their fleet.
What routes are the 767-300ERs used on? I'm still a big fan of the 2-3-2 seating in Y, and will be sad to see fewer of these in the fleet.
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Sep 25, 2020, 6:12 pm
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Sep 25, 2020, 6:31 pm
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I think some of the secondary routes like TPA-AMS, IND-CDG, and PDX-TYO (trans-pacific!) were 763 routes.
Sep 25, 2020, 6:35 pm
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Have to wait until 2023, but Satan's Chariot finally leaves us. Can't wait to watch the last one of those things fly away.
I honestly won't really miss the 763 or the 717 that much either. The J product on the 767 has never been very good and, while I don't have much against the 717, I also don't really have any preference towards it either.
With that said, that's a departure of 264 aircraft in the next ~4 years. What does DL plan to replace all of these with? I'd guess the 717 will largely be replaced by the A220, but does DL even have enough of these on order? Also, what replaces the 763? Travel demand certainly isn't going to remain down for the next 4 years so they're going to need something to replace these planes.
I honestly won't really miss the 763 or the 717 that much either. The J product on the 767 has never been very good and, while I don't have much against the 717, I also don't really have any preference towards it either.
With that said, that's a departure of 264 aircraft in the next ~4 years. What does DL plan to replace all of these with? I'd guess the 717 will largely be replaced by the A220, but does DL even have enough of these on order? Also, what replaces the 763? Travel demand certainly isn't going to remain down for the next 4 years so they're going to need something to replace these planes.
Sep 25, 2020, 6:57 pm
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I'd like to think DL would be smarter than that. Though if the last six months have shown anything it's that the current leadership is nowhere near what it was prior to falling on hard times. Might as well go dumpster-diving for aircraft while you're at it Ed.
Sep 25, 2020, 6:57 pm
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While Satan’s chariot is deserving of the name, it’s better than the prop option that many of the cities the CRJ-200 used to see and many of these cities across the Southeast and Upper Midwest and even a few around SLC that see the only CRJ-200 may lose service altogether or be served by EAS contracts given to carriers operating Jetstream J31s and Cessna Caravans.
Sep 25, 2020, 6:58 pm
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While Satan’s chariot is deserving of the name, it’s better than the prop option that many of the cities the CRJ-200 used to see and many of these cities across the Southeast and Upper Midwest and even a few around SLC that see the only CRJ-200 may lose service altogether or be served by EAS contracts given to carriers operating Jetstream J31s and Cessna Caravans.
Sep 25, 2020, 7:10 pm
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I’ve never had an issue with the 763 ... 2-3-2 in Y/C+ is a fantastic configuration, and have no complaints about the D1 seats
I can’t opine about the 717, having only flown on one (AA, ~2004), but will certainly not miss the CR2s ... and that said, I know I have to be one of the only turboprop (SF-340, EMB-120) fans left here
I can’t opine about the 717, having only flown on one (AA, ~2004), but will certainly not miss the CR2s ... and that said, I know I have to be one of the only turboprop (SF-340, EMB-120) fans left here
Sep 25, 2020, 7:18 pm
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