Delta flights between military airports
Apr 18, 2019, 4:12 pm
#16
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I have a friend on DL169 from NRT - SIN today (flightaware) and I was looking at the flight history of that plane. It looks like before arriving in Tokyo, it flew as:
DL 8824 from IWK - NRT
DL 8958 from CRK - IWK
and flew on that route a number of other times operating as various flight numbers.
Does anybody know what's up with that?
DL 8824 from IWK - NRT
DL 8958 from CRK - IWK
and flew on that route a number of other times operating as various flight numbers.
Does anybody know what's up with that?
Apr 18, 2019, 4:16 pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the biggest players actually have to sit in Y, because they're too large (wide) to even sit in F seats and have to sit in Economy seats with movable armrests.
Apr 18, 2019, 5:05 pm
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The remaining question is, on the Military charters, are the passengers' weapons secured in the hold? Or how does security work? If they have to meet 91K or standard 121/TSA regs, then I'd assume it's operated like any other flight. If not, the plane would have to be security sanitized post-flight.
I must admit it's a bit strange to see M249 Squad Automatic Weapons and M4s just carried about casually on a Southwest flight (to Kileen, TX).
We were told not to carry ammo on board but only time you are really checked is coming out of theater.
On the way to/from theater we stopped 2x over 1x back and a few Soldiers stayed on the plane to make sure the cleaning/ground crew didn't mess w/ anything.
Company/Battalion/Brigade commanders CSMs/1SGs got majority of the first class seats (really business class) going out (none on return flight). Remaining F seats generally went to the Soldier's who had to serve as ground crew and load the planes.
Apr 18, 2019, 5:17 pm
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They re-configure these planes for sports teams, they put a lot more 1st seats in with up to 60" of pitch:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...air-adds-teams
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...air-adds-teams
Apr 18, 2019, 7:17 pm
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Apr 19, 2019, 6:41 am
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The military charters can be on any equipment. Equipment is sized to the need. The NBA charters are all flown on a 757 subfleet with all business seating and more room than normal business. The NBA owns the aircraft and Delta manages and staffs them.
Seating on military charters is up to each organization however as a general rule the loading crew gets to sit in front. Remaining big seats seem to go to officers on army and air force charters. Marine Corps charters seem to always put officers in back and NCO’s in the front. Even the Commanding Officer is usually in back.
Seating on military charters is up to each organization however as a general rule the loading crew gets to sit in front. Remaining big seats seem to go to officers on army and air force charters. Marine Corps charters seem to always put officers in back and NCO’s in the front. Even the Commanding Officer is usually in back.
Apr 19, 2019, 8:05 am
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Apr 19, 2019, 6:24 pm
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According to a letter obtained by Bloomberg from NBA attorneys to federal regulators, the new aircraft will join Delta’s current fleet of eight Airbus A319. The 11 Boeing aircraft will be transferred from Delta’s ownership to a private leasing company, which will then lease the aircraft to a trust controlled by the league. As part of the leasing agreement, Delta will have full rights to the aircraft, including use of the aircraft for other charters.
Apr 20, 2019, 9:16 am
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Delta does not own the aircraft. It’s a bit more complicated than just saying the NBA owns them but Delta is just leasing the airframes. The NBA payed for the reconfiguration and Delta can’t change the seating. Here is the legal explanation.
According to a letter obtained by Bloomberg from NBA attorneys to federal regulators, the new aircraft will join Delta’s current fleet of eight Airbus A319. The 11 Boeing aircraft will be transferred from Delta’s ownership to a private leasing company, which will then lease the aircraft to a trust controlled by the league. As part of the leasing agreement, Delta will have full rights to the aircraft, including use of the aircraft for other charters.