SkyMiles credit on SU flight operated by Rossiya Airlines (Aeroflot subsidiary)
Nov 12, 2018, 9:15 am
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Nov 12, 2018, 9:53 am
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Supposedly yes - if it were operated by SU, they told me. Because it was operated by a non-ST partner, I was denied.
Similar to the CityJet operated but AF marketed flights to LCY. Elite plus benefits but no DL credit once the flight posted.
Similar to the CityJet operated but AF marketed flights to LCY. Elite plus benefits but no DL credit once the flight posted.
Nov 12, 2018, 9:56 am
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This is what I would have expected before reading the positive reports earlier in this thread. AFAIK they're separate carriers, so it's not like DL Connection.
Nov 13, 2018, 5:03 pm
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AF1116 CDG-DUB is eligible for SM credit. It's operated on behalf of AF by Cityjet.
DL5720 is eligible for FB credit. It's operated on behalf of DL by Compass.
AF3800 CDG-AUH is NOT eligible for SM credit. It's operated by Etihad for Etihad. AF is simply selling seats on the EY32 flight.
DL6798 is not eligible for FB credit. It's operated by Virgin Australia for Virgin Australia. DL is simply selling seats on VA002.
Cityjet stopped operating it's own flights in October 2018. Thus all AF coded Cityjet flights are now on behalf of Air France and thus eligible for credit.
Nov 13, 2018, 5:11 pm
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It sounds like you have decided that if an airline doesn't sell their own flights, then they are now operating 'on behalf' of another airline. Your example is CityJet.
However, Rossiya DOES operate their own flights and sell their own seats (maybe not on all routes?). In some cases SU codeshares on are on flights that are also sold by the operating carrier. So your definition kind of breaks down, in this case.
So I'll ask again, where did you find this definition 'on behalf of' and how do you determine if a codeshare is 'on behalf of' or just a normal codeshare?
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Nov 13, 2018, 5:19 pm
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Simple. It's how the airlines phrase it. Goto flightstats and plug in the flights I listed. It'll tell operated on behalf of or operated by depending on type of codeshare. This has been discussed previously on FT. Also in this forum specifically in regards to Cityjet flights.
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You've misunderstood what was said. I never said they don't operate any flights at all. In fact it's why I posted the Cityjet example. Till October Cityjet ran some flight on their own and some on behalf of other airlines. Thus why you got credit on some AF coded Cityjet flights, but not others. It depended on if the particular flight was operated on behalf of AF or was an AF codeshare on an actual WX flight. Same reason could book some AF coded Cityjet flights, but not others using Skymiles.
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However, Rossiya DOES operate their own flights and sell their own seats (maybe not on all routes?). In some cases SU codeshares on are on flights that are also sold by the operating carrier. So your definition kind of breaks down, in this case.
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Nov 13, 2018, 5:21 pm
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Simple. It's how the airlines phrase it. Goto flightstats and plug in the flight I listed. It'll tell operated on behalf of or operated by depending on type of codeshare. This has been discussed previously on FT. Also in this forum specifically in regards to Cityjet flights.
Nov 14, 2018, 9:13 am
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So far they look to have two flights at day (at least on some days), one each operated by Aeroflot and Rossiya
Looks like they are still running up into end of Dec, at least. Rossiya is slightly cheaper tix, but, yes, I hear the seat pitch and service are worse. Good thing, though, they are running a non-ER 777-300, which are doing to become a rare aircraft soon enough. Anyways, possibly to fly "normal" SU metal and Rossiya in each direction and see the difference for oneself.
I actually did what you did between Moscow and Vladivostok, not that I paid too much attention to the aircraft but yeah Rossiya was less than desirable. Have fun!
Dec 25, 2018, 8:52 pm
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Update for everyone
Good news! The Rossiya flight was credited with 100% base miles and MQM (as per the respective SU fare class), 1 MQS and zero MQD. Overall, a great outcome. Skyteam benefits, such as an extra bag, also seemed to have been applicable, although they we not used.
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I know it’s been awhile since there was a data point here. I have a J flight US-CDG-LED on AF. The CDG-LED is an AF flight number with a caveat that it is ‘operated by Aeroflot’ on one page and then ‘operated by Rossiya Airlines for Aeroflot’ on another. Is this likely to get mileage credit?
Feb 25, 2020, 2:30 am
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I know it’s been awhile since there was a data point here. I have a J flight US-CDG-LED on AF. The CDG-LED is an AF flight number with a caveat that it is ‘operated by Aeroflot’ on one page and then ‘operated by Rossiya Airlines for Aeroflot’ on another. Is this likely to get mileage credit?
If it doesn't post correctly you'll be in hell getting credit. Most DL agents dont understand the difference between operated on behalf of vs. operated by.