TheHorta

Can't imagine burning GUCs for PS. Is that what DL is trying to get us to do, and protect D1 even from DMs?

PS isn't usually much more than Y on most of the flights I've seen -- though it has been an admittedly small sample in my case.

Qwkynuf

The documentation that I have seen indicates that you must choose which seat you want to be upgraded to.
In other words:
Y > D1: 1 GUC *or*
Y > PS: 1 GUC *or*
PS > D1: 1 GUC *or*
Y > PS > D1: 2 GUC

So you could buy Y and use a cert to upgrade to PS. Or, you could buy Y and use a cert to upgrade to D1. Or, you could buy PS and use a cert to upgrade to D1. But if you buy Y and use a cert to get to PS, you need another one to get to there from D1.

jdrtravel

Any chance you are confusing Comfort+ with Premium Select? PS seats are basically the same as domestic first class seats but with leg rests. The service is comparable to domestic first class. Comfort+ is just like coach but with a few more inches of leg room.

TheHorta

The last couple of times I looked (it's been a few months), DTW>NRT was ~$1,800 in Y and ~$2,400 in PS on an A350. Granted, that's a small sample size, but it seems like there might be a roughly 50% premium or less for PS over Y, which seems relatively insignificant.

jdrtravel

Oh sorry, I misread your post. I thought you meant that PS was not much better than Y, but you were talking about price.

ethernal

This is a myth that needs to die... they aren't even equivalent to F seats in an MD-88/90 in terms of size. How Delta pulled this marketing wizardry where people believe PS is equivalent to a domestic F seat I will never understand.

jdrtravel

This is where we will need to agree to disagree. I understand that the seats are a couple of inches narrower, but in my opinion, everything else is highly comparable.

pvn

Can you elaborate on the actual difference? I mean I get they aren't as wide but what's the experience like?

ethernal

They are significantly more narrow (and there are middle seats which makes the narrower seat width even more of an issue).

I don't really care about the "experience" - I think whether food is served on plastic or ceramic is pretty inconsequential.

pvn

No, I mean the experience of actually sitting in the seat. I can read the dimensions myself but I haven't had a chance to put my butt in one yet.

jdrtravel

They are 10% narrower, that does not count as "significantly more narrow" in my book. But maybe for you. I think your point about middle seats is fair, but since most seats are not middle seats they can rather easily be avoided.

The food is not just served on china, it's actually J class food from the same menu as D1 but with one tray service and not all of the options. I still think that, for someone who us trying to understand what this product is, explaining that it is very similar to domestic F is probably the best way to go.

MCO Flyer

For some strange reason though everything but drinks is served in glassware. I don't understand the reason for cutting glass cups from PS.

ethernal

The dimensions are a bit smaller (in terms of actual space per seat) than the much derided 763 Domestic config. I'm sure they have altered the seat padding and back support a bit, but it should be a comparable experience size-wise. The foot rest may make a difference for some but I am too tall to use the foot rest (unless the Delta version is radically different than other configs I've been on) so that isn't much help to me.

ethernal

10% more narrow? That is not accurate at all. The seat width perhaps, but the total space per seat is much less than domestic F. The arm rests on Premium Select are significantly more narrow than in F - unless you are both petite, you and your neighbor will be playing elbows (although obviously not to the extent that you do in Y).

While it is not entirely apt since on narrowbodies the F aisle is a bit wider, keep in mind that an F seat takes up about 75% more floor space than a Y seat. Premium Select seats only take up about 30% more floor space than a Y seat. That is a significant difference in terms of personal space.

It's airplane food. Whether it is J fare or Y fare it is all about the same. I'll grant you that the soft product is equivalent, but who cares about the soft product? If you gave the same food to a Comfort+ seat, would you consider that a premium experience too?

SamOF

Plenty of people care about the soft product. Clearly you don't--totally fine! But you may want to resign yourself to the fact that soft product is going to be discussed on these forums occasionally.