Delta Domestic First Class vs. Alaska on Transcons
#31
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I recently let my SC membership lapse, so didn't even try the SC for a LAX-JFK flight in D1. I'll be annoyed if I misunderstood the SC rules for domestic D1....
Granted, the OP gets lounge access anyway.
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Is this true? My understanding of the current SC rules is that a D1 ticket only provides access on intl routes, or tix connecting to intl D1.
I recently let my SC membership lapse, so didn't even try the SC for a LAX-JFK flight in D1. I'll be annoyed if I misunderstood the SC rules for domestic D1....
Granted, the OP gets lounge access anyway.
I recently let my SC membership lapse, so didn't even try the SC for a LAX-JFK flight in D1. I'll be annoyed if I misunderstood the SC rules for domestic D1....
Granted, the OP gets lounge access anyway.
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Is this true? My understanding of the current SC rules is that a D1 ticket only provides access on intl routes, or tix connecting to intl D1.
I recently let my SC membership lapse, so didn't even try the SC for a LAX-JFK flight in D1. I'll be annoyed if I misunderstood the SC rules for domestic D1....
Granted, the OP gets lounge access anyway.
I recently let my SC membership lapse, so didn't even try the SC for a LAX-JFK flight in D1. I'll be annoyed if I misunderstood the SC rules for domestic D1....
Granted, the OP gets lounge access anyway.
#34
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If I haven't missed something, perhaps this is a change, and one that goes along with the downgrade of domestic D1's meal service?
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Hmmm...here's what's on the DL site, which is why I thought they'd changed it to exclude domestic D1 unless connecting to intl D1: "Customers traveling in Delta One on an international Delta flight or a domestic Delta flight connecting to/from a same-day international Delta flight*
While it's true that the language on the access policies page does not mention domestic D1, the Locations page with the club finder has a checkbox for "Transcontinental Delta One" (although if you check it, it only mentions SFO, LAX, and JFK), and the page describing the D1 product says under "Domestic Delta One Experience": "Enjoy complimentary access to 50 Delta Sky Club locations and find your flavor with new food options, premium drink selections with a local flair and space to work, relax or recharge."
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Here's a review and comparison I wrote 4 years ago; I haven't flown on Alaska since the "divorce" from Delta.
Review of Alaska Airlines F Class by a Delta Loyalist
At DCA, Alaska is still using gate 18 (in the same gatehouse where the Delta gates are), and has moved the former Virgin Atlantic non-stop to SFO there. I don't know why they don't move their operation down to "the banjo" (Terminal A), where they could probably get either the former Northwest or TWA club spaces for a new Board Room.
Review of Alaska Airlines F Class by a Delta Loyalist
At DCA, Alaska is still using gate 18 (in the same gatehouse where the Delta gates are), and has moved the former Virgin Atlantic non-stop to SFO there. I don't know why they don't move their operation down to "the banjo" (Terminal A), where they could probably get either the former Northwest or TWA club spaces for a new Board Room.
#37
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The web site is inconsistent with itself.
While it's true that the language on the access policies page does not mention domestic D1, the Locations page with the club finder has a checkbox for "Transcontinental Delta One" (although if you check it, it only mentions SFO, LAX, and JFK), and the page describing the D1 product says under "Domestic Delta One Experience": "Enjoy complimentary access to 50 Delta Sky Club locations and find your flavor with new food options, premium drink selections with a local flair and space to work, relax or recharge."
While it's true that the language on the access policies page does not mention domestic D1, the Locations page with the club finder has a checkbox for "Transcontinental Delta One" (although if you check it, it only mentions SFO, LAX, and JFK), and the page describing the D1 product says under "Domestic Delta One Experience": "Enjoy complimentary access to 50 Delta Sky Club locations and find your flavor with new food options, premium drink selections with a local flair and space to work, relax or recharge."
#38
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To be honest, I think if you are expecting any carrier to offer a significantly better experience than United you are going to be disappointed, unless you fly routing that offers lay flat seating.
My opinion: If you are wanting DL status & miles, than choose Delta (or AS for the same reason). IMO that's the only reason to bother with connecting flights when there is a nonstop option. If not, I would honestly suggest that you just stick with the United nonstop and save yourself the time on an already long trip.
FYI DL no longer prevents Y pax from using the F lav on domestic routes and AS never did. Any airline will have good crews and bad crews. DL F food has been receiving a lot of complaints recently.
My opinion: If you are wanting DL status & miles, than choose Delta (or AS for the same reason). IMO that's the only reason to bother with connecting flights when there is a nonstop option. If not, I would honestly suggest that you just stick with the United nonstop and save yourself the time on an already long trip.
FYI DL no longer prevents Y pax from using the F lav on domestic routes and AS never did. Any airline will have good crews and bad crews. DL F food has been receiving a lot of complaints recently.
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I was a long time AS Gold and then 75K when it was launched. Now Diamond af DL.
I have been on both DL and AS flights in F where Y passengers line up at the F restroom. Also have run out of space in F on both. AS (not sure about now but did in the past) would gate valet the bag if you were in F and pick it up plane side. No go on DL. Both times went to baggage claim.
In all honestly I would probably just pick the non stop. Nothing in any domestic F I have experienced would have me making a connection when a non stop is available. I’ve done 4 segments in United F the past year and they have all been fine.
I have been on both DL and AS flights in F where Y passengers line up at the F restroom. Also have run out of space in F on both. AS (not sure about now but did in the past) would gate valet the bag if you were in F and pick it up plane side. No go on DL. Both times went to baggage claim.
In all honestly I would probably just pick the non stop. Nothing in any domestic F I have experienced would have me making a connection when a non stop is available. I’ve done 4 segments in United F the past year and they have all been fine.
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This is all great info, thanks! Fortunately, my next meeting was changed from San Diego to LA. That opened up plenty of interesting options. I managed to get Delta One from DCA-LAX direct and back-- for about only a bit more than United's directs out of IAD. Three weeks of advance notice on the right days made D1 within budget.
There's nothing wrong with United F. But I am curious to see if other options are any better. D1 looks promising... if only they went to SD! Finally:
Apparently, there's a whole rant on this in another airline's forum. My objection was not about letting Y pax into the F lav-- it was about the crew's indifference to a genuine safety hazard: PAX should not be allowed to queue up when the seatbelt sign is on and the plane is bouncing around.
In all honestly I would probably just pick the non stop. Nothing in any domestic F I have experienced would have me making a connection when a non stop is available. I’ve done 4 segments in United F the past year and they have all been fine.
FYI DL no longer prevents Y pax from using the F lav on domestic routes and AS never did
#42
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The airline you're describing is not Alaska. Better hard product? When I've flown AS in first class the first time I see and interact with a flight attendant is at least 45 minutes (usually an hour) after I sit down - no preflight service yet 2 flight attendants always in forward galley chatting. And service time is painfully slow. In the last row in F? You might finish your meal over MCI. AS service rarely as good as all the fan boys make it out to be.
Flew DL One JFK-SFO last week and service was terribly underwhelming. Dinner was terrific. But after that had to call for, or go find, someone until the 60 minute pre-arrival walk through.
Flew DL One JFK-SFO last week and service was terribly underwhelming. Dinner was terrific. But after that had to call for, or go find, someone until the 60 minute pre-arrival walk through.
There are a couple of bad Alaska configs, but the planes Alaska runs on t-cons are generally the ones with the generous F pitch (they have a 40"-41" pitch). I would fly Alaska in a heartbeat over Delta in F - it's a significantly superior hard product, especially compared to Delta's F hard product which in aggregate is the worst out of all major US carriers that offer F. I guess they make up for it by putting out white tablecloths and calling their soft product superior.
I wouldn't worry about the bag checks. I have flown Alaska 3 times since the initial uproar and had no issues with a bag that - while fitting vertically in every overhead bin in the US (other than RJs) - is clearly oversized.
I wouldn't worry about the bag checks. I have flown Alaska 3 times since the initial uproar and had no issues with a bag that - while fitting vertically in every overhead bin in the US (other than RJs) - is clearly oversized.
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If BWI is a convenient option for you, AS offers a nonstop to SAN from there, though it leaves pretty early. I can't comment too much on DL F, but I can say that AS crews can be hit or miss on enforcing the F-lav-for-F-only rule, but not to the point that they let people queue up during turbulence.
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The one advantage that flying Delta domestically gives you is occasional surprises, in a good kind of way. Like my Los Angeles–Honolulu flight last night was catered with Delta One international business-class wines, including champagne. Obviously, you won't get that on Alaska. I talked to the flight leader, who was Honolulu-based, and she said it happens enough that it isn't a surprise. I drank two bottles on the 6-hour flight, as nobody else wanted it (most passengers pass out after the meal and don't wake up again until Honolulu).