mattya9

I would like to preface my post by saying I generally don't mind the 737-900 (especially if I can get F, Comfort+ or exit row) however I do prefer the 757. Not sure what it is but it's just a more comfortable ride, in my opinion. With that being said, I decided to look at this from a square footage perspective. I looked up some numbers, did some basic math, and found that based on the square footage of each aircraft, and the number of seats on each aircraft, each seat takes up the same amount of space. Now I know this method is rather "grey" because you have to take into account the actual seat pitch of each class. However, I think it still gives you an overall idea of the amount of space Delta is working with on each aircraft. Here are the numbers I got...

737-900 = 107' x 11.5' = 1230.5 square feet divided by 180 seats = 6.83/seat

757-200 = 118' x 11.5' = 1362.75 square feet divided by 199 seats = 6.84/seat

For some reason it was a little harder to find specific cabin lengths for each aircraft so if my numbers are wrong please correct me. As for the 737 getting a bad rap I think it's because of the layout; with no L2 or R2 doors and all the lavs and galleys either in the front of the plane or back of the plane it gives the impression of more people in a tighter space. Just my two cents. Please don't bash my thought process too much.

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pvn

You're so sure of this, it should be relatively easy to actually document your claim. You must have seen this information somewhere if you're this postive.

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shimps1

​​​​​​Larger cargo area, because the floor is higher, correct? Would that not put the seats higher up as well, into the wider part of the diameter of the fuselage?

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Tom45

The 747 book by Boeing's Joe Sutter states that the 707 fuselage was used for the later single aisle planes.

pvn

Wait, you said they were the same, but now you're saying they're ... different???

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readywhenyouare

I was talking to a friend that works for Boeing. Keep in mind this is purely conversation between two enthusiasts and nothing remotely confirmed or supported by corporate. Anyway, apparently the sales team doesn't really enjoy working with Delta. I can understand why. And I can also understand why Boeing went after DL and Bombardier. Richard Anderson did everything in his power to harm Boeing's finances. He made the false claim of market value for used 777's. He based this off of the scrap value of a used 777 they purchased for parts. It was completely un-airworthy and would never fly again. This disrupted the market value for the 777 second hand market. Anderson also referred to the 777X and 78J as "paper airplanes". At the time he made that statement the A350 had not entered service and the A330neo was only a pipe dream but DL still ordered it. This shows just how hypocritical he was and how much contempt DL has for Boeing. And that was all well before the C Series order.

So Boeing knew they had nothing to lose by challenging the C Series. They had already lost DL as a customer and DL only used Boeing to get better pricing from Airbus. And with 300+ 321's on order and an all Airbus widebody fleet it would be silly for DL to ever order Boeing again. It would seriously throw off the economies of scale. So the next time DL wants to order new airplanes it would probably be in Boeing's best interest to hand DL the price sheet and call it good. It isn't worth their time to pursuit a losing battle. Delta will then have no leverage against Airbus. Boeing can then spend more time pursuing orders they actually have a chance of winning.

SJC ORD LDR

I though it was fairly common knowledge that the 707, 727, 737, and 757 all share the same fuselage. It's actually quite clever.

Do you think Airbus is going to come up with a new narrow body fuselage in the next couple decades? Why?

Exleftseat

I think Lufthansa is in the same boat. I remember reading an interview with Enders and Spohr stating that LH had every single model with the exception of the 318.

peasant

And the 767 and 777 have the same nose (section 41)

Most commentary I hve read about the deal is that this was less about A vs B but about GE vs PW. GE has a monopoly on B737, vs Airbus giving a choice on A320. GE wasn't willing to cut price on engines as much as PW was, plus give DL Tech Ops the ability to get into GTF maintenance (they already have CFM capability)

n7371f

That Boeing was pissed at Richard's arrogant comments about the 777 are correct. That's widely known in the business - and it was also a blatantly loaded statement (as Richard was referring to tear downs but didn't clarify, likely on purpose). The rest...no idea. But if it wasn't already, Boeing & Delta don't have a good relationship.

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micstatic

I realize you have a heavy Boeing tilt based on many of your posts I have seen. But this is a ridiculous statement. With your logic that would mean Southwest is getting ripped off by Boeing since airbus has no chance. American secured a very nice deal from Airbus while many believed they would only order the 737 family. I get it. You like Boeing, but delta is certainly not hurting themselves.