More seat swapping/poaching fun!
Oct 27, 2018, 6:51 pm
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Oct 29, 2018, 9:49 am
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This is no different than basically every other contentious topic in this forum. You've got a bunch of people who basically think "well *I* personally don't care about X, therefore it's ridiculous than anyone else cares about X and those people deserve nothing" and then you have a bunch of people who actually understand that humans have different circumstances and preferences and have some empathy and decency.
Oct 29, 2018, 10:00 am
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Asking you a question is not a violation of your human rights and is not "indecent."
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Oct 29, 2018, 10:07 am
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Oct 29, 2018, 10:08 am
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Oct 29, 2018, 11:48 am
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nobody is disputing that getting indignant or pushy is rude. Proudelitist (and others!) doesn't differentiate, just the ask itself is a violation in his book.
Oct 29, 2018, 12:13 pm
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I said "bothering". Bothering people is not a form of decency. Declining to bother people is a form of empathy, because you wouldn't want someone to bother you either.
I maintain that the ask itself is rude. It almost all circumstances it is a WANT not a NEED. A selfish want..a desire to sit with your companions because the thought of being apart for a few hours is some sort of horror. A want which should have been addressed at the time of booking. And if the fates ended up separating you, the mature, decent thing to do is be thankful you are on the plane and accept your lot. If you want some stranger to accommodate your wants, that's selfish. Needs can be addressed by an airline representative like the FA or GA.
These days, seats are almost always bookable in advance, so whomever you are asking has selected the seat they want and requesting a swap is not respecting that person's choice.
And from my view..I don't want to be bothered, guilt tripped, insulted, or contacted by other passengers and their problems. I am not interested. It is rude to expect others to accommodate your need to sit with companions in anything less than a true emergency situation simply because you want it. Decent, empathetic society recognizes that selfishness has no place.
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Oct 29, 2018, 12:23 pm
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All snark aside, I'd still be interested in a response to this question:
So I'll ask you directly (oops, sorry, I'm imposing on you! but I'm genuinely curious, in the interest of better understanding someone else's mindset) -- when you have some desire that rises to whatever level you feel justifies your making an imposition on someone else to actually make a verbal request to them, do you feel like they are obligated to honor your request 100% or even close to 100% of the time?
i.e. to be clear about my question, do you only make requests as a last resort and when you feel that no reasonable person could possibly deny them, and restrain yourself from asking otherwise?
i.e. to be clear about my question, do you only make requests as a last resort and when you feel that no reasonable person could possibly deny them, and restrain yourself from asking otherwise?
Oct 29, 2018, 12:28 pm
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It does. It varies with the circumstances and the request. And asking me to give up my pre-selected, extra revenue seat so you can be with a companion is quite a bother.
Oct 29, 2018, 12:35 pm
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I didn't say "asking" and I did not mention human rights. That's histrionics on your part
I said "bothering". Bothering people is not a form of decency. Declining to bother people is a form of empathy, because you wouldn't want someone to bother you either.
I maintain that the ask itself is rude. It almost all circumstances it is a WANT not a NEED. A selfish want..a desire to sit with your companions because the thought of being apart for a few hours is some sort of horror. A want which should have been addressed at the time of booking. And if the fates ended up separating you, the mature, decent thing to do is be thankful you are on the plane and accept your lot. If you want some stranger to accommodate your wants, that's selfish. Needs can be addressed by an airline representative like the FA or GA.
These days, seats are almost always bookable in advance, so whomever you are asking has selected the seat they want and requesting a swap is not respecting that person's choice.
And from my view..I don't want to be bothered, guilt tripped, insulted, or contacted by other passengers and their problems. I am not interested. It is rude to expect others to accommodate your need to sit with companions in anything less than a true emergency situation simply because you want it. Decent, empathetic society recognizes that selfishness has no place.
I said "bothering". Bothering people is not a form of decency. Declining to bother people is a form of empathy, because you wouldn't want someone to bother you either.
I maintain that the ask itself is rude. It almost all circumstances it is a WANT not a NEED. A selfish want..a desire to sit with your companions because the thought of being apart for a few hours is some sort of horror. A want which should have been addressed at the time of booking. And if the fates ended up separating you, the mature, decent thing to do is be thankful you are on the plane and accept your lot. If you want some stranger to accommodate your wants, that's selfish. Needs can be addressed by an airline representative like the FA or GA.
These days, seats are almost always bookable in advance, so whomever you are asking has selected the seat they want and requesting a swap is not respecting that person's choice.
And from my view..I don't want to be bothered, guilt tripped, insulted, or contacted by other passengers and their problems. I am not interested. It is rude to expect others to accommodate your need to sit with companions in anything less than a true emergency situation simply because you want it. Decent, empathetic society recognizes that selfishness has no place.
If you are that bothered by your fellow humans even asking you something, forms of transportation in which you may or will have to engage with the public are not for you. And you are a minority in your preferences. FT is a minority - a vocal minority that can feel like an echo chamber for members of that minority, but a minority nonetheless. With DL transporting 180 million passengers a year, even if many of them are repeats, that’s a lot of different view points. Many people have different preferences than you. And they don’t know what your preferences are. Many people outside of FT would find it ridiculous or crazy to care about the things we on FT care about. That doesn’t make you wrong for caring about them but it is wrong to not understand that there are others who don’t care about the same things you do or prioritize the same things you do and most of the audience you are preaching to isn’t on FT to see your rants.
Oct 29, 2018, 12:43 pm
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Oct 29, 2018, 12:46 pm
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Your refusal to answer the question is noted. I was trying to actually have a dialogue this time, but oh well.
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I didn't say "asking" and I did not mention human rights. That's histrionics on your part
I said "bothering". Bothering people is not a form of decency. Declining to bother people is a form of empathy, because you wouldn't want someone to bother you either.
I maintain that the ask itself is rude.
I said "bothering". Bothering people is not a form of decency. Declining to bother people is a form of empathy, because you wouldn't want someone to bother you either.
I maintain that the ask itself is rude.
Oct 29, 2018, 1:10 pm
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This is 100% irrelevant, since it could equally be said of you pre-selecting your seat. It's based on what seat you want, not what you need.