Currently sitting on a 26 year old A320
Nov 9, 2016, 3:43 pm
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We need some regulation forcing airlines to scrap planes after four years, after all, I get a new car every four years. Plus, the resulting spike in airfares will result in less crowded flights and less crowded lounges, everyone wins.
Nov 9, 2016, 6:00 pm
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That's sarcasm right? With Delta's large fleet, it'd take three of those years to redo each subfleet, giving the planes a year of flying time.
Nov 9, 2016, 7:15 pm
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The 737NG shares very very little with the -100/200. (hell even the 300/400/500)
Okay, since the "/" didn't differentiate enough for you add an "or" there to make the comprehension easier for you... Do you write I flew a CRJ2 or a CRJ7 or a CRJ9? Seems the exact same thing and quicker to type "CRJ2/7/9."
The PDB was in regards to the service dropping significantly, on US airlines, who care more about selling stocks than their paying customers on flights. Getting a PDB in FC is becoming more of a granted privilege pending the flight crew wanting to provide that service.
By the way, the A320 is around 23% more fuel efficient than the MD90 and also has a much larger range, but let's not let that get in the way of stating that the engines are the exact same and assuming they're basically the same aircraft...
The PDB was in regards to the service dropping significantly, on US airlines, who care more about selling stocks than their paying customers on flights. Getting a PDB in FC is becoming more of a granted privilege pending the flight crew wanting to provide that service.
By the way, the A320 is around 23% more fuel efficient than the MD90 and also has a much larger range, but let's not let that get in the way of stating that the engines are the exact same and assuming they're basically the same aircraft...
(hint, the MD88 vs 320 is ~20%-25% depending on A320 engines (i.e. CFM56-5A or 5B) and age. I know the MD90 is not worse than a MD88 when it comes to performance.)
Nov 9, 2016, 8:12 pm
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Nov 9, 2016, 8:40 pm
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Other than that isn't how science works....yeah I guess so.
The 737NG shares very very little with the -100/200. (hell even the 300/400/500)
the bolded. Who ever told you that told you a lie, badly, so please back that up with data..... (and again we are talking MD90, not MD88)
(hint, the MD88 vs 320 is ~20%-25% depending on A320 engines (i.e. CFM56-5A or 5B) and age. I know the MD90 is not worse than a MD88 when it comes to performance.)
The 737NG shares very very little with the -100/200. (hell even the 300/400/500)
the bolded. Who ever told you that told you a lie, badly, so please back that up with data..... (and again we are talking MD90, not MD88)
(hint, the MD88 vs 320 is ~20%-25% depending on A320 engines (i.e. CFM56-5A or 5B) and age. I know the MD90 is not worse than a MD88 when it comes to performance.)
Nov 10, 2016, 6:36 am
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Yes, United did outfit their A320s with both audio entertainment, Ch. 9, as well as drop down LCD monitors. The great leader Smisek ripped those out and replaced the seats with cheap no AVOD slimline. He also hated CO's Live TV, but the contract in place meant he couldn't rip it out.
Nov 10, 2016, 8:04 am
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Okay, since the "/" didn't differentiate enough for you add an "or" there to make the comprehension easier for you... Do you write I flew a CRJ2 or a CRJ7 or a CRJ9? Seems the exact same thing and quicker to type "CRJ2/7/9."
The PDB was in regards to the service dropping significantly, on US airlines, who care more about selling stocks than their paying customers on flights. Getting a PDB in FC is becoming more of a granted privilege pending the flight crew wanting to provide that service.
By the way, the A320 is around 23% more fuel efficient than the MD90 and also has a much larger range, but let's not let that get in the way of stating that the engines are the exact same and assuming they're basically the same aircraft...
The PDB was in regards to the service dropping significantly, on US airlines, who care more about selling stocks than their paying customers on flights. Getting a PDB in FC is becoming more of a granted privilege pending the flight crew wanting to provide that service.
By the way, the A320 is around 23% more fuel efficient than the MD90 and also has a much larger range, but let's not let that get in the way of stating that the engines are the exact same and assuming they're basically the same aircraft...
Nov 10, 2016, 10:38 am
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Along with significantly cheaper acquisition costs and far shorter time to service. I love the arm chair fleet management experts that we have on this board, who think they know better than a multi-billion dollar airline at balancing their fleet.
Nov 10, 2016, 10:51 am
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Yes, United did outfit their A320s with both audio entertainment, Ch. 9, as well as drop down LCD monitors. The great leader Smisek ripped those out and replaced the seats with cheap no AVOD slimline. He also hated CO's Live TV, but the contract in place meant he couldn't rip it out.
NW had an awful "product" served up by surly disgruntled, old and grouchy personnel who should have left the company and industry ages ago. At least USAIR was once a classy airline serving key markets alone the east coast with polished service before HP tookover.
DL should have passed on NW or at very least waited until they got more desperate. Going into the fuel run up and subsequent downturn they were in terrible shape with an old, gas guzzling fleet, revenue challenges and other stargetic limitations. DL employees have had their occupational seniority cheapened and QOL deteriorated as the senior PMNW Mamas have transfered bases and taken their lines. NW owes a huge debt of gratitude to both DL and the former TW F/As for getting McKaskill Bond legislation passed as I have no doubt DL would have liked to pursue a staple job.
Nov 10, 2016, 11:56 am
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Since then, engineers design assuming a fixed lifetime, and seek to save weight where ever possible.
Today, officially according to Boeing, a DC-9 is rated a 110,000 cycles.
An A320 is rated between 50,000 and 60,000 cycles, depending on manufacture date.
I found more on this. From 2008, an article on Airbus stating the original A320 limit was 48,000 cycles and 60,000 hours, and Airbus was working to extend the limits to 60,000 cycles and 120,000 hours, with a goal of 90,000 cycles and 180,000 hours by 2012:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...family-220962/
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Nov 10, 2016, 12:06 pm
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You have to remember this is the former NWA we are talking about. The dumpiest, scrappiest and worst airline of them all. NW was never a major player nor did it have a global recognition like AA, PA, or TW.
NW had an awful "product" served up by surly disgruntled, old and grouchy personnel who should have left the company and industry ages ago. At least USAIR was once a classy airline serving key markets alone the east coast with polished service before HP tookover.
NW had an awful "product" served up by surly disgruntled, old and grouchy personnel who should have left the company and industry ages ago. At least USAIR was once a classy airline serving key markets alone the east coast with polished service before HP tookover.
Nobody told DL to keep NW's older planes. And NW did refurbish the fleet interiors...
Nov 10, 2016, 12:12 pm
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DL's business/cost/revenue/economics analysts made a compelling enough case to DL's senior management that the bottom line would benefit more from keeping the ex-NW jets than from a rapid fleet renewal
Nov 10, 2016, 1:46 pm
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I beg to differ somewhat. While NW did run a spartan organization, there were many good people who worked for NW and service was often good as well. Also, NW did have a decent reputation in Asia where it dominated.
Nobody told DL to keep NW's older planes. And NW did refurbish the fleet interiors...
Nobody told DL to keep NW's older planes. And NW did refurbish the fleet interiors...
Recall in March 2009 when initial cross fleeting LGA-Florida took place the complaining was pretty vocal and widespread.
NW didn't anywhere near "dominate" Asia. They were the cheap and inferior option for Japan, that's it. They flew their large 747s and DC-10s with low yield trash over DTW/MSP and NRT. UA looked like polished and luxurious up against NW...