Delta's proposed 20-year ATL airport lease includes construction of Concourse G
Apr 26, 2016, 4:19 pm
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1.Where would you put such an airport? The only place that's currently possible without spending untold billions on highway infrastructure would be at least 50-60 miles from Downtown ATL. Then you still face a problem of access from the rest of the state, as people coming from points east and south would end up driving through the city to access the new "improved" airport.
2. Who would pay for it? The state of GA? It would cause riots outside the metro ATL area and probably within it as well.Keep in mind that the states Rural Republican voting base has been voicing increasing discontent with the amount of state spending that happens in the metro ATL area.
3. Who is asking for it? Access to ATL from outlying parts of the state is quick and easy as its in a mostly traffic free corner of the city. It may be a horrible commute from the northern suburbs occasionally, but just think of what adding an airport out there would do to the already horrible traffic situation in those suburbs.
tl;dr- Will never happen.
Apr 26, 2016, 4:36 pm
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more than likely North cargo will also move south and you will see a DL hangar and possibly second runway built in its place.
I think they will end up relocated some facilities east or north of F (I don;t know what the stuff due north is, and if it needs to be located where it is). You want to maintain the passenger airside connectivity, and also taxiway paths look to be better keeping the concourse in that general area. Directly north of F looks good as it could be cheaply connected via moving walkway to F.
And 5 more T gates. And this plan dropped (or keeps as a potential future option) an H concourse.
The parking deck rebuild will be an adventure for us locals. I suspect remote lots will fill up. Time for Marta/Uber.
Looks like the 2nd airport proponents from years ago had the right idea. Fly some O/D traffic in/out of that (WN would happily move) and keep ATL at a sane size. It is growing so fast they might use kudzu as ground cover to keep up with the pace.
And 5 more T gates. And this plan dropped (or keeps as a potential future option) an H concourse.
The parking deck rebuild will be an adventure for us locals. I suspect remote lots will fill up. Time for Marta/Uber.
Looks like the 2nd airport proponents from years ago had the right idea. Fly some O/D traffic in/out of that (WN would happily move) and keep ATL at a sane size. It is growing so fast they might use kudzu as ground cover to keep up with the pace.
There's a few problems with your scheme.
1.Where would you put such an airport? The only place that's currently possible without spending untold billions on highway infrastructure would be at least 50-60 miles from Downtown ATL. Then you still face a problem of access from the rest of the state, as people coming from points east and south would end up driving through the city to access the new "improved" airport.
2. Who would pay for it? The state of GA? It would cause riots outside the metro ATL area and probably within it as well.Keep in mind that the states Rural Republican voting base has been voicing increasing discontent with the amount of state spending that happens in the metro ATL area.
3. Who is asking for it? Access to ATL from outlying parts of the state is quick and easy as its in a mostly traffic free corner of the city. It may be a horrible commute from the northern suburbs occasionally, but just think of what adding an airport out there would do to the already horrible traffic situation in those suburbs.
tl;dr- Will never happen.
1.Where would you put such an airport? The only place that's currently possible without spending untold billions on highway infrastructure would be at least 50-60 miles from Downtown ATL. Then you still face a problem of access from the rest of the state, as people coming from points east and south would end up driving through the city to access the new "improved" airport.
2. Who would pay for it? The state of GA? It would cause riots outside the metro ATL area and probably within it as well.Keep in mind that the states Rural Republican voting base has been voicing increasing discontent with the amount of state spending that happens in the metro ATL area.
3. Who is asking for it? Access to ATL from outlying parts of the state is quick and easy as its in a mostly traffic free corner of the city. It may be a horrible commute from the northern suburbs occasionally, but just think of what adding an airport out there would do to the already horrible traffic situation in those suburbs.
tl;dr- Will never happen.
Georgia isn't stupid, you don't go pissing in your largest employers pool. ATL still has plenty of room to expand.
Apr 26, 2016, 5:29 pm
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The positive network effects at ATL (and at DFW for AA) can only be dreamed of by IAD/DCA/BWI and JFK/LGA/EWR. Look at average gauge and number of destinations served non-stop, for example. Then look at those metrics for a metro area the size of ATL, not LA or NYC.
Apr 28, 2016, 12:39 am
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Apr 28, 2016, 3:54 pm
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Seventh runway looks like it will necessitate the removal of a lot of airport hotels, like that massive Sheraton, and the Ruby Tuesday's I've eaten at way too often.
Apr 28, 2016, 4:56 pm
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If flights via other hubs produced a higher financial return they would be operated.
The positive network effects at ATL (and at DFW for AA) can only be dreamed of by IAD/DCA/BWI and JFK/LGA/EWR. Look at average gauge and number of destinations served non-stop, for example. Then look at those metrics for a metro area the size of ATL, not LA or NYC.
The positive network effects at ATL (and at DFW for AA) can only be dreamed of by IAD/DCA/BWI and JFK/LGA/EWR. Look at average gauge and number of destinations served non-stop, for example. Then look at those metrics for a metro area the size of ATL, not LA or NYC.
Even if you don't live in ATL, DL's Mega-Hub offers a majority of American's one stop service to hundreds of cities.
Moving ATL flights back MEM and CVG would reduce people options not enhance them. If I have to connect I'd rather have 10 frequencies from my Origin to the hub and 10 Frequencies to my destination as opposed to 5 from ATL 2 from MEM and 3 from CVG.
I get the most possible combinations and rebooking options if flights are delayed.
Aug 20, 2019, 11:41 am
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I know by now that it's not exactly breaking news now, but I was surprised to hear that they're no longer going to build Concourse G because it's $1.5 billion dollar price tag is too much and instead sound like they want to spend $500 million for a 6-8 gate dogleg off of the south end of T plus somehow cram in two more gates each on B,C, and D. The whole thing sounds hugely expensive for a relatively marginal amount of gates; almost like they don't want to bite the big (but more efficient) bullet of building a significant new domestic terminal complex elsewhere (where the old 1970s terminal was at the north end of the airport would make enormous sense).
Aug 21, 2019, 3:41 pm
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I know by now that it's not exactly breaking news now, but I was surprised to hear that they're no longer going to build Concourse G because it's $1.5 billion dollar price tag is too much and instead sound like they want to spend $500 million for a 6-8 gate dogleg off of the south end of T plus somehow cram in two more gates each on B,C, and D. The whole thing sounds hugely expensive for a relatively marginal amount of gates; almost like they don't want to bite the big (but more efficient) bullet of building a significant new domestic terminal complex elsewhere (where the old 1970s terminal was at the north end of the airport would make enormous sense).
Aug 21, 2019, 3:59 pm
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I know by now that it's not exactly breaking news now, but I was surprised to hear that they're no longer going to build Concourse G because it's $1.5 billion dollar price tag is too much and instead sound like they want to spend $500 million for a 6-8 gate dogleg off of the south end of T plus somehow cram in two more gates each on B,C, and D. The whole thing sounds hugely expensive for a relatively marginal amount of gates; almost like they don't want to bite the big (but more efficient) bullet of building a significant new domestic terminal complex elsewhere (where the old 1970s terminal was at the north end of the airport would make enormous sense).
There is no use case I am aware of that requires much in the way of new gates. If anything the D concourse could be reconfigured to handle more widebodies.
Aug 21, 2019, 6:02 pm
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Even if you don't live in ATL, DL's Mega-Hub offers a majority of American's one stop service to hundreds of cities.
Moving ATL flights back MEM and CVG would reduce people options not enhance them. If I have to connect I'd rather have 10 frequencies from my Origin to the hub and 10 Frequencies to my destination as opposed to 5 from ATL 2 from MEM and 3 from CVG.
I get the most possible combinations and rebooking options if flights are delayed.
Even if you don't live in ATL, DL's Mega-Hub offers a majority of American's one stop service to hundreds of cities.
Moving ATL flights back MEM and CVG would reduce people options not enhance them. If I have to connect I'd rather have 10 frequencies from my Origin to the hub and 10 Frequencies to my destination as opposed to 5 from ATL 2 from MEM and 3 from CVG.
I get the most possible combinations and rebooking options if flights are delayed.
Aug 22, 2019, 1:47 am
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I mean, the dead people probably don’t care, but everyone else....?
Aug 22, 2019, 6:57 am
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Yes, bulldoze the whole place except for the Dwarf House.
Aug 22, 2019, 9:59 am
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Edit: I am aware that I fly DL and that I am in a DL forum, but it does not mean I enjoy them having a monopoly over ATL and I (the consumer) pays the ransom they charge for flights in and out of here.