Originally Posted by KeepDeltaMyDeltaFireRichardAnderson
(Post 23877364)
Can someone clarify? Previously you could book an open jaw, for example, JFK-FRA/LHR-JFK, on one PNR. Now you have to book two separate one way tickets on two PNR's??
Starting Jan 1st, nothing indicates you can't include an open jaw into one PNR, all DL is saying is about its pricing: "For Award Travel ticketed on or after January 1, 2015, all open jaw itineraries will be priced based on One-way Award Travel pricing rules." |
Originally Posted by michael_v
(Post 23877478)
The poster you quoted wanted both open-jaw and stopover, and stopovers are only available, supposedly, until Dec 31st.
Starting Jan 1st, nothing indicates you can't include an open jaw into one PNR, all DL is saying is about its pricing: "For Award Travel ticketed on or after January 1, 2015, all open jaw itineraries will be priced based on One-way Award Travel pricing rules." |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 23877537)
If the change doesn't mean two PNRs for OJ award tickets, then this wouldn't seem to be any different from what is done now.
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Originally Posted by michael_v
(Post 23877624)
People are speculating that a return leg from Europe may incur fuel surcharges.
In booking an award ticket that included an open-jaw and stopover for next July (which took 3 phone calls and almost 2 hours of talking with Delta), the agents kept pricing my trip at many more miles than should be required. I found low level availability on the inbound and low level business availability on the outbound. However, the agent repeatedly tried to charge me 135,000 Skymiles. I argued the point that there was low level availability and eventually they were able to get the price to match the correct price of 92,500 miles. It was a very frustrating process, especially since I knew I was correct and Delta was trying to make me pay more miles than even a round trip in low level business elite would cost. |
Originally Posted by emrdoc
(Post 23857551)
To those of us that fly weekly for work, Delta does an unequaled job of getting us to our destination on-time and with the least stress and angst. The Skymiles program can be frustrating at times but to suggest we don't fly Delta because of it is ridiculous. Your view is amazingly myopic.
Since it no longer is, the benefits from American now outweighs the benefits of Delta. With only 250k points left in my Skymiles account and PM set for next year, no real reason to continue accruing miles in my account. And since the benefits of status are important to me, I will fly predominately American next year and future years. |
Originally Posted by havnfn
(Post 23857923)
This just might kill our plans for a stop in LA for a few days on the way to Maui next year.
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Although still a devaluation, I can see the rationale in instances where someone wants to hang out in another city for a few days. But in some cases, the "stop-over" is literally an overnight.
Last year I was on a cruise and because of the arrival time and so forth it was not possible to get from CPH to the US and then connect to MCO. So we flew CPH-CDG-BOS, overnighted in BOS, and then flew BOS-MCO the next morning. They ought to at least include a 24 hour exception to allow for this type of scenario. |
Originally Posted by houserulz77
(Post 23877735)
Although still a devaluation, I can see the rationale in instances where someone wants to hang out in another city for a few days. But in some cases, the "stop-over" is literally an overnight.
Last year I was on a cruise and because of the arrival time and so forth it was not possible to get from CPH to the US and then connect to MCO. So we flew CPH-CDG-BOS, overnighted in BOS, and then flew BOS-MCO the next morning. They ought to at least include a 24 hour exception to allow for this type of scenario. |
Originally Posted by Delta Points
(Post 23859458)
The mileage levels and benefits for each Award and each partner airline are subject to change at any time and are subject to the terms and conditions of each partner airline. Some airline partners impose a surcharge on Award Travel redemptions for travel on their airline. These charges, when applicable, are the responsibility of the passenger and will be collected at the time of booking. |
Originally Posted by FlyAO2
(Post 23860992)
I'm very confused as to why everyone is "shocked" at this. This is no different than how AA does their mileage flights.
That's the price you pay for one-way. I fully expected this |
Originally Posted by rankourabu
(Post 23861518)
Also, looks like one-way rates have mostly gone up for travel outside of NA.
Almost all rates up by ~5k for Y, ~10k for J each way Some examples Old/New rates each way, North Asia - Hawaii Y 27.5k->30k, J 42.5k->50k And Hawaii to S Asia: Y 22.5K -> 35K, where Y becomes what J used to be 35K OW for 70K RT |
This sucks! Although I've thought about it often, I've never threatened to fire Delta. This is the straw that will cause me to evaluate my airline options.
I've taken advantage of free stopovers every year for the last 16 years. |
Originally Posted by mnredfox
(Post 23875060)
Just when I thought DL was coming around with real enhancements...
Lay off whatever it is you're drinking or smoking. :p |
Originally Posted by RealHJ
(Post 23879907)
Doesn't look like non-DL awards will be at the normal award pricing ("level 1") anymore. At least not necessarily always.
Could this be a return to how it was with NW, that some awards priced out more (at a higher unpublished mileage level) with KE than with NW, for example (which thankfully went away with DL/006)? If you look at the non-NA origin charts, there is still only one level. For those of you who dont know how much of a big deal fuel surcharges are - take a wonder to the AC or BA forums - a one way surcharge Europe-NA can easily run you $500 on top of regular taxes. |
Originally Posted by michael_v
(Post 23877624)
People are speculating that a return leg from Europe may incur fuel surcharges.
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