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Old Apr 22, 2014, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
AS F used to be one of the finest in the sky. Then, they made it upgrade class. The rest is history.
Germany was winning World War I until they started to allow complimentary upgrades to elites.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by RollsRoyceAndy
Well in that spirit, are any of the domestic first class really first class?
We used to have it good, with TWA, sigh.

Originally Posted by cottonpatch
Somebody needs a Kleenex!!
*exactly*

The Champagne / sparkling wine designations drive me CRAZY.

Lately, pre-departure BOS-AMS the flight attendants have been referring to it as "sparkling wine" for PDB; and even saying, we don't open the Champagne till we are in the air. Perhaps, there has been some "re-training!"

One of the many reasons Mohegan Sun is my favorite casino in the world. When you ask for a glass of Champagne (and you are VIP or in high limit), you get a Moët NV split, as it should be!
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by tkey75
I was wondering the same thing. Seems strange. Probably not specific regulators, but maybe specific to the aircraft configuration, some regulator once and AS never challenged it since there's alternatives to a zillion little bottles a year.
Originally Posted by Tide_from_PAE
Each airline has its own representative at the FAA who makes rules specific to that airline. This was especially relevant a year or so ago when different airlines had different policies regarding what was allowed in seatback pockets.
Here is an old post on the AS side explaining why AS cannot have water bottles. I'm sure the little water bottle pocket on DL seat back has somethng to do with why DL has the bottles.

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Actually, at least one FAA inspector has decided to enforce a decades old FAA regulation. That regulation says that ALL onboard service items must be collected or stowed in an approved stowage location prior to take-off/landing. The seat pocket is only approved for soft items (magazine, newspapers, basically paper items). SO, the water bottles can not go in the seat pocket and you can not hold them for take-off/landing. Strangely enough, you can hold a water bottle YOU brought on but not the one we gave you. When another airline does a full pre-departure beverage service they generally always pick up the cups, empty or not, before sitting down. Anyway - this Flight Attendant seems to have taken it up on herself to interpret this rule on her own. The company has only asked that we pick up all water bottles prior to being seated before take-off. They (being management) NEVER told us not to pass the water out prior to take-off. The funny thing is, this has been the rule all along. The company reposted it and let us know that the FAA is, apparently, vigirously enforcing it. Odd that ANY Flight Attendant would pretend they didn't know this before.


Originally Posted by RollsRoyceAndy
Well in that spirit, are any of the domestic first class really first class?
Comparing domestic F to Intra-european business? Yes is a fairly significant difference. Its not a coach seat with an empty middle.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:04 am
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Comparing domestic F to Intra-european business? Yes is a fairly significant difference. Its not a coach seat with an empty middle.
True, though Europe almost always wins when it comes to food and service.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by apodo77

Meal wise there is a chicken salad that has been offered more often than not that is nothing to write home about (way too much blue cheese). Had a couple of decent burgers recently and like the fresh fruit. I agree with the OP that AS catering in general is nothing to write home about though and is pretty weak overall. I like the snack basket DL offers and should be standard on all airlines.
You can never have enough bleu cheese.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:22 am
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I have flown AS in F a good bit over the years, and IMO their FC cabin is very comfortable and FAR more comfortable than Delta's new 739s.

The service has always been friendly and gracious, and the on-time percentage is pretty good as well.

I agree that their baggage allowance is a bit chintzy for their FC passengers, though AA also limits checked bags to 50 pounds.

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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by HongKonger
You can never have enough bleu cheese.
or bacon, or foie gras, or Caspian Sea caviar, or Woodford, or Champagne, or XO Cognac.........
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by HongKonger
You can never have enough bleu cheese.
but does it have to be Roquefort?
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by RollsRoyceAndy
but does it have to be Roquefort?
Yes, of course.

Funny you should mention Roquefort. I had (amazing) Roquefort for lunch. Kosher-for-Passover Roquefort; my final Passover meal. (and yes, Pesach is the only time of year I "try" to be a "good Jew" vis-a-vis food and dietary laws; usually about 95%)

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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
or bacon, or foie gras, or Caspian Sea caviar, or Woodford, or Champagne, or XO Cognac.........
Originally Posted by baccarat_king
yes, Pesach is the only time of year I "try" to be a "good Jew" vis-a-vis food and dietary laws; usually about 95%
Well no bacon for you then!!
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by RollsRoyceAndy
Well no bacon for you then!!
Passover is officially OVER in a few hours! I see bread, pasta and bacon in my future.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by Carl Johnson
Germany was winning World War I until they started to allow complimentary upgrades to elites.
I know that was slamming me, but it really made me LOL. =-)
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:23 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I share Bourbon (from Kentucky) with all of my friends in Amsterdam.
Bourbon need only be from the US. It does not need to be from Kentucky.

Originally Posted by baccarat_king
This has nothing to do with "blind taste tests," but more so with accurately naming products.
I agree, to a point. But does the consumer really gain additional clarity as to the quality or style of a wine if it is labeled California Sparkling Wine vs Champagne (assuming that the label stated origin)? In some ways, I find the DOC/AOC labeling conventions to reduce clarity to the consumer, not increase it.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:24 am
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PDX is one of my favorite airports. DL serves the needs of Nike quite well with NRT and AMS.

As for AS F, the only good thing in my opinion are the hot nuts and cookies. The meals are below Delta's hot offerings and I always get on the ground very hungry. The digiplayer is ok, makes up for the DL planes like the A319/A320s that don't have that entertainment stuff.

I've been in some AS 737-900s that look like they are in the pits. I don't know what their cleaning schedule is but surely they get a lot of work. DL runs on a 30 day or less schedule for deep cleaning.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
Bourbon need only be from the US. It does not need to be from Kentucky.
That is why I put "Kentucky" in parenthesis.

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I agree, to a point. But does the consumer really gain additional clarity as to the quality or style of a wine if it is labeled California Sparkling Wine vs Champagne (assuming that the label stated origin)? In some ways, I find the DOC/AOC labeling conventions to reduce clarity to the consumer, not increase it.
It's one of those things, I believe should be held onto. It's like a trademark, or such. Just, my opinion, of course. Same way I feel about "fake" Louis Vuitton. It's either authentic, or it's not.

This is NOT a judgment on good or bad (heck, California produces some of the best wines in the world). I just think that you should call things what they are, when there is some significance with regard to the name.
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