View from the Wing reports -#Skymiles2015 chart out soon
Mar 6, 2014, 4:37 am
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I seem to recall that the page at delta.com describing the 2015 changes stated award calendar was coming out in Q4. It now states "later in 2014". Let's pull the bandages off quickly, DL.
Mar 6, 2014, 6:21 am
#32
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lets not rush to judgment. We've all seen the recent 'changes' Delta has made. Changes that supposedly were good for us. The 'new' award calendar will ultimately decide whether or not I stay with Delta. I am still reeling from the no upgrade policy on premium transcons. JFK to SEA? How on earth is that a premium transcon? Does UA/AA offer flatbeds on that route?
Mar 6, 2014, 6:29 am
#33
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For me, it tends to be the international award travel for which we most frequently use our SkyMiles. (Going JFK -Bangkok in BE three weeks from now.)
Most important, keep in mind that it isn't the newly acquired miles that matter, it's the tens of millions (?) of miles that are currently in the hands of members. One year's accrual probably isn't a very big factor planning.
Most important, keep in mind that it isn't the newly acquired miles that matter, it's the tens of millions (?) of miles that are currently in the hands of members. One year's accrual probably isn't a very big factor planning.
Mar 6, 2014, 6:34 am
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For me, it tends to be the international award travel for which we most frequently use our SkyMiles. (Going JFK -Bangkok in BE three weeks from now.)
Most important, keep in mind that it isn't the newly acquired miles that matter, it's the tens of millions (?) of miles that are currently in the hands of members. One year's accrual probably isn't a very big factor planning.
Most important, keep in mind that it isn't the newly acquired miles that matter, it's the tens of millions (?) of miles that are currently in the hands of members. One year's accrual probably isn't a very big factor planning.
Mar 6, 2014, 6:46 am
#35
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Availability will be the key. If we find it easier to actually find low-tier award flights the change in SkyMiles won't be as bad.
Here's my prediction for coach tiers:
Lowest 10k Each Way
Low 12,500 Each Way
Mid 15,000 Each way
High 20,000 Each way
Highest 25,000 each way
I have no insight, I'm just taking a wild stab.
Here's my prediction for coach tiers:
Lowest 10k Each Way
Low 12,500 Each Way
Mid 15,000 Each way
High 20,000 Each way
Highest 25,000 each way
I have no insight, I'm just taking a wild stab.
and go with:Standard 12.5K each way
Higher 20K each way
Even Higher 30K each way
Really Much Higher 40K each way
Nosebleed High 50K each way
Special RedTailShark round trip to FCO 635K round trip (this will finally be a published award level).
David
Mar 6, 2014, 7:17 am
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I will put on my RedTailShark cap and go with:
Standard 12.5K each way
Higher 20K each way
Even Higher 30K each way
Really Much Higher 40K each way
Nosebleed High 50K each way
Special RedTailShark round trip to FCO 635K round trip (this will finally be a published award level).
David
and go with:Standard 12.5K each way
Higher 20K each way
Even Higher 30K each way
Really Much Higher 40K each way
Nosebleed High 50K each way
Special RedTailShark round trip to FCO 635K round trip (this will finally be a published award level).
David
Mar 6, 2014, 7:38 am
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Mar 6, 2014, 8:09 am
#38
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I'm betting domestic Y redemption will remain largely the same, perhaps couple of in-between tiers thrown in. This lets them keep the promise of "Lowest Coach" staying at 25K.
Where the shocker will be is int'l J. I would be not-at-all shocked if the various tiers become tied to revenue fare class, so for EU travel something like:
X/V/T/U - 60K r/t
L/H/Q/S - 80K r/t
M/B/Y - 100K r/t
Z/I/D/C - 125 r/t
J - 150K r/t
Where the shocker will be is int'l J. I would be not-at-all shocked if the various tiers become tied to revenue fare class, so for EU travel something like:
X/V/T/U - 60K r/t
L/H/Q/S - 80K r/t
M/B/Y - 100K r/t
Z/I/D/C - 125 r/t
J - 150K r/t
Mar 6, 2014, 8:19 am
#39
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"Theyve had their new redemption chart, but they had planned to keep it a secret. Their members would fly all year, saving points to redeem next year, but not knowing how much those points are worth."
IOW, Delta wanted to keep people hanging on, spending money with them, before they found it their SMs were going to be worth much less than before.
Mar 6, 2014, 8:28 am
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I'm betting domestic Y redemption will remain largely the same, perhaps couple of in-between tiers thrown in. This lets them keep the promise of "Lowest Coach" staying at 25K.
Where the shocker will be is int'l J. I would be not-at-all shocked if the various tiers become tied to revenue fare class, so for EU travel something like:
X/V/T/U - 60K r/t
L/H/Q/S - 80K r/t
M/B/Y - 100K r/t
Z/I/D/C - 125 r/t
J - 150K r/t
Where the shocker will be is int'l J. I would be not-at-all shocked if the various tiers become tied to revenue fare class, so for EU travel something like:
X/V/T/U - 60K r/t
L/H/Q/S - 80K r/t
M/B/Y - 100K r/t
Z/I/D/C - 125 r/t
J - 150K r/t
Mar 6, 2014, 8:30 am
#41
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I'm betting it will be somehow way more complex than it is now as well as more expensive. They've made everything else very complex so why not redemption as well. Their announcement of the changes said that there would be "as many as" 5 redemption levels, which implies that for some types of trips there will be fewer levels. I think complexity is part of the strategy, it prevents people from maximizing benefits unless they really follow and keep up with everything.
Mar 6, 2014, 8:31 am
#42
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https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...nnounce#redeem
The award chart has round trip coach at
25,000
32,000
35,000
40,000
55,000
Assuming these are blended round trips
Assuming the screen shot is not manipulated
Assuming 5 levels
Then it is possible to estimate the 5 tiers pretty closely, as to get to 32,000 you need a 16,000 award each way or a 25,000 award and a 39,000 award. I think 39,000 is unlikely so I bet it is 16,000 each way as the second tier and so on....I therefore think Javabites is going to be pretty close or spot on
Mar 6, 2014, 8:34 am
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Mar 6, 2014, 9:03 am
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I would actually like the ability to do things other than just try and find flights.
I would be happy to earn GU certificates instead of miles. Miles have become a PITA to deal with and I almost would prefer to be able to buy a cheap ticket and fly first class guaranteed rather than try and find an "award seat".
I would be happy to earn GU certificates instead of miles. Miles have become a PITA to deal with and I almost would prefer to be able to buy a cheap ticket and fly first class guaranteed rather than try and find an "award seat".
Mar 6, 2014, 9:35 am
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(If the "350k for J" rates don't happen in 2015, then expect them in 2016.)