Flight attendants wearing pins with a "Flight attendants wearing pins with a "D"
Jan 5, 2014, 4:58 am
#136
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One of my NYC based FAs was wearing this pin on my recent flight. I complimented her on the look of the pin and she said it was designed after a DC8 by one of the FAs and is a symbol of wanting to keep the Delta culture and not let anything bad happen to it. It is definitely a pretty cool looking pin.
Jan 5, 2014, 10:16 am
#137
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It's not generalization. That's the way it is in the government (I work for Uncle Sam). Being involved in criminal activity is a different story but it's near impossible to get people fired for poor performance. They likely won't get promoted, because promotion is usually competitive, and may get continually shifted from one organization to another (maybe to a job that makes them so mad they quit), but getting fired for poor performance? It doesn't happen.
Last edited by tom_MN; Jan 11, 2014 at 8:38 am
Jan 5, 2014, 10:23 am
#138
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As a person familiar with government employee unions... I would surmise that it's the management of the union that counts, and WN has a good Union.
There are pros and cons to any union. But government employee unions have evolved into a state where only the dues count and a having a job is more important than DOING the job. ....
As an example, try firing a government worker who is in a Union for incompetence and don't be surprised when he/she is back at work being MORE incompetent.
There are pros and cons to any union. But government employee unions have evolved into a state where only the dues count and a having a job is more important than DOING the job. ....
As an example, try firing a government worker who is in a Union for incompetence and don't be surprised when he/she is back at work being MORE incompetent.
Jan 5, 2014, 1:22 pm
#139
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Depends on how you define "work".
A traditional full-time worker works 173-1/3 hours per month (2080/12). If they have an unpaid 1-hour lunch break each day they're "at work" about 195 hours per month.
A flight crewmember is "at work" (car in the airport's employee parking lot) about 380 to 400 hours per month. They are on-duty (at the airport in uniform) around 160-180 hours per month. They on a moving airplane 75 to 90 hours per month. They are only paid their hourly rate for those 75-90 hours.
None of this includes commuting. If they commute you can add another 40+ hours per month away from home.
A traditional full-time worker works 173-1/3 hours per month (2080/12). If they have an unpaid 1-hour lunch break each day they're "at work" about 195 hours per month.
A flight crewmember is "at work" (car in the airport's employee parking lot) about 380 to 400 hours per month. They are on-duty (at the airport in uniform) around 160-180 hours per month. They on a moving airplane 75 to 90 hours per month. They are only paid their hourly rate for those 75-90 hours.
None of this includes commuting. If they commute you can add another 40+ hours per month away from home.
Jan 5, 2014, 9:27 pm
#140
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Jan 5, 2014, 11:36 pm
#141
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Crews do no work "40 hour work weeks".
Which generally is when duty duty rigs come into play.
Commuting is a lifestyle choice.
Commuting is a lifestyle choice.
Jan 6, 2014, 8:04 am
#142
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I see it as a benefit as well.
It's pretty nice to live in NYC and have home base in SFO, and not have to pay to get to work.
How many of us get to choose where to live and have our employer pay for the commuting costs?? Most of us have to pull up stakes.
Not saying it's a viable choice for every FA, but at least there's a choice.
It's pretty nice to live in NYC and have home base in SFO, and not have to pay to get to work.
How many of us get to choose where to live and have our employer pay for the commuting costs?? Most of us have to pull up stakes.
Not saying it's a viable choice for every FA, but at least there's a choice.
Jan 9, 2014, 7:35 pm
#143
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Jan 10, 2014, 8:04 am
#144
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May be nice, but there's always the agita of wondering whether a seat will be available, or the cost of actually paying for that seat to ensure getting to work on time.