GUWonder

I just went to book on qantas.com for a flight from SYD to DEL later this month, and the first and cheapest option that shows up is SYD-HKG-DEL QF127 + CX697.

The other options it showed involved QF+AI.

GUWonder

DL management being so paranoid about leaks in this area, who knows what games they may be trying to play.

stimpy

DEL is not EMEA. It wouldn't make sense to fly to Dubai and then back to DEL.

FireEmblemPride

I really have to wonder why DL and KE's relationship appears to be going south. It's not like DL got JL to go to ST all those years ago.

GUWonder

Some (but not most) companies actually have the split for EMEA to include Asia but not Africa; however, indeed most do not.

Well, QF does still sell SYD-LHR-DME on QF1+BA233, whether that makes sense or not too. At least with earning of elite status miles, going out of the way may make a little more sense at least when it is not a lot more money. DL announced it is eliminating earning status miles on all KE operated flights. QF hasn't announced such a thing with regard to BA or any other OW airlines' operated flight.

StayingHomeIsBetter

Now that some sort of bad news is coming out of Virginia Ave on about a 2 week cycle (this thread being devoted to just the most recent), let me remind folks of

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...save+sky+miles

Towards the end (effective death) of that thread, I was trying to suggest some structure for a path forward and received no response in support. So be it.

The "tough love" assessment has to be that most of you good people do not have the fortitude to stand up for yourselves or, perhaps, feel that repeatedly returning here for mutual electronic commiseration is an effective substitute for action.

I still submit that those choosing to show their disdain for DL management by exiting to another airline will meet someone in the revolving door, on the way in from another airline. Net effect... zilch.

Now, I am 4 or 5 years away from ceasing frequent business travel. I will then buy a motor home, travel the US, and wear a wry smile on my face every time I see an airplane passing overhead.

But, others of you are still in this for the long haul.

If you do not mount some active resistance to this BS, you will likely continue to see semimonthly deterioration of SkyMiles... until there is little else left to lose.

Your choice.

bgriff

This isn't really new though...I don't know the history of Flying Blue, but I do know that BA and LH have long given little or no status credit when flying cheap fares (even on their own metal), whereas in the US it has always been standard to get full credit even on the cheapest coach fares. It would be a shame, from a passenger perspective, if the US carriers moved in the European direction here, and thus far competitive pressure has kept them from doing so. But historically Europe and the US have had very different customs, so there's no reason to panic based solely on what Flying Blue is doing. Indeed there would be vastly more reason to panic if UA started doing it.

TPJ

It is changing now:

SK now gives 100% credit even for the lowest fares. The same is with TK. Even BA is now crediting 100% miles for the lowest fares (but EQM points still vary based on the fare flown).

European carriers now treat FF programs as the most powerful weapon against the LCC expansion (as Ryanair and other LCC's still do not have any FF program).

GrizShel

EMEA = Europe, Middle East and Africa?

JV = Junior Varsity?

Canarsie

Correct.Joint venture.

KKinLA

Yes... My bad. The comparison I made was only for Korean only.

UA Fan

Aren't they more expensive than non-codeshare flights? Along the same lines you can book a DL codeshare on KE metal and get full MQM.

Calchas

Actually, this is the whole reason none of them earn. FB were caught by surprise when the DL changed their fare codes. FB were also surprised when MU changed their codes and continue to award 125% for deep-discount Z fares (formerly business).

Some people have successfully appealed to the right agents and got their V/X/Z flights credited. I have not been so lucky, and have simply been met with "It's not in the table so you're out of luck" at every turn.

Z was added to the table last week. G, X and V are still being considered by management (according to a dragon) but it doesn't look good (according to Twitter).

No. The same fare code at the same price on the same flight earns 25% and is a qualifying segment on KL and AF flights. However, occasionally I need to fly on a DL-marketed flight thanks to the wonderful Fly America Act. Also to get the flights numbered by their AF or KL codeshares you have to call ... which is a pain.

It is true that some AF flights ("MiNi" fares and some ex-LCY fares) do not earn miles or count as a segment. This is a recent irritation and another good reason to switch to oneworld.

Perhaps once, but not now. BA now gives (at least) the bigger of 100% or 500 miles on every paid flight. It also gives 100% on every AA marketed flight. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong!)

BondAir007

Any of the AA/OneWorld and UAL/Star Alliance fans want to save us?

DL/SkyTeam... KE and few other ST air partners are poking holes in the system.

"Mayday! Mayday! Delta fanboys are need to be saved. We lost all our commutation and respect with RA desk and Delta SkyClub! They taken our Fruit Loops and Nerf toys away! The Sandbox is flooded with Jet-A fuel! Mayday!

"Mayday! Mayday! Anyone at DL Techops can hear us!! We need help. All tray tables don't stay up. All DL FA are serving us Kool-aid in Dixie cups in First Class."

"Mayday! Mayday! DL Award calendar is falling apart. We lost the major warp engines running DL website!"

UA Fan

Well said. I notice people rationalizing whenever an airline makes an unfavorable change. Some even criticize those who criticize the change (as happenes whenever I criticize YQ). But such criticism is bearing fruits. DL has reduced the number of partners who charge YQ and AF has reduced YQ on economy class awards. AF & BA have taken off YQ (?) on domestic European flights.

Unless airlines are boycotted and heavily criticized they will continue the abuse especially as competition reduces. So advise all your friends never to invest in DL miles. Criticise DL on Facebook like I have.