Compare AF Premium Economy and DL EC
Feb 7, 2013, 1:35 pm
#16
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Washington, DC, Chapel Hill, NC (RDU)
Programs: DL Plat (won't hit DM again) 2MM (2.5), HH Gold, PC Gold, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 5,626
Different seat, slides down rather than reclines so in addition to more pitch, the person in front of you doesn't recline into your space, also a bit wider. Business class duvet and pillow and a very nice amenity kit, maybe the same as the business class. The first time (November 2011 to Cambodia) I think the food was the standard coach meal; the second (November 2012 to Hong Kong) the meal seemed better and came with a menu card, etc.
Also, it earns a 25% base miles bonus and a 50% EQM bonus in fare classes S,A,W. And flying to Asia you get a stopover in Europe -- so better seat, lots of miles and the stopover for $2300 to $2700 to Asia if you plan it well.
From the east coast of the US it isn't a bad way to go to Asia.
tom
Feb 7, 2013, 3:23 pm
#18
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,857
More legroom and recline (and the bulkhead seats have the raised footrests too), amenity kit, blanket, and pillow same as J, food similar to Y except for champagne and Valrhona chocolates after the main meal. If you have the option of flying the a380, take the window seat to have additional storage bin on your side.
These and the additional MQMs are what you should assess whether it's worth $500 more to you, vs. just the additional legroom with EC.
These and the additional MQMs are what you should assess whether it's worth $500 more to you, vs. just the additional legroom with EC.
All alcohol is complimentary on AF flights (internationally). I believe the deal with lounge access is that you will get CDG 2E access only.
Feb 8, 2013, 6:59 am
#19
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: Flying Blue (plat), Eurobonus (gold), Accor (plat), Bonvoy (plat)
Posts: 290
Feb 8, 2013, 8:29 am
#20
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
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Will the 150% MQM for AF PV continue after March 1? For all PV fares or just the most expensive one that corresponds to DL W?
Feb 8, 2013, 11:57 am
#21
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: Delta Gold, silver, what yr is it?
Posts: 2,418
There's a loophole where if you are continuing on in PV intra-Europe (which is called something different?) then you do get lounge access in Europe. So when we flew ATL-CDG-ATH, we had lounge access at CDG. Of course, we also only had 2hr to connect so no time for lounge access....That trip was when I was FO, so the lounge access was for PV (A/W fare) not because of elite status. At the time, the Air France board here was very helpful in explaining the complexities of the system to me (also get Acces 1 lines for immigration, which was very helpful)
Feb 8, 2013, 12:04 pm
#22
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There's a loophole where if you are continuing on in PV intra-Europe (which is called something different?) then you do get lounge access in Europe. So when we flew ATL-CDG-ATH, we had lounge access at CDG. Of course, we also only had 2hr to connect so no time for lounge access....That trip was when I was FO, so the lounge access was for PV (A/W fare) not because of elite status. At the time, the Air France board here was very helpful in explaining the complexities of the system to me (also get Acces 1 lines for immigration, which was very helpful)
Feb 8, 2013, 5:03 pm
#24
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Bamberg, Germany
Programs: DL DM/2MM
Posts: 345
Maybe I'm only one, but I don't like AF PE seats.
I'm 6'4" and footrest is totally unusable for me, because it doesn't start under knees.
I also find seats very hard. I made 8 longhauls in PE in 2 months in 2011 and my ... still remember
On other hand my wife who is 5'4" likes it very much...
I'm 6'4" and footrest is totally unusable for me, because it doesn't start under knees.
I also find seats very hard. I made 8 longhauls in PE in 2 months in 2011 and my ... still remember
On other hand my wife who is 5'4" likes it very much...
Feb 8, 2013, 9:15 pm
#26
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Katy, TX
Programs: AA - PLT(2MM); DL - PM(2MM); Hilton - Gold; Marriott Bonvoy- Titanium; Hyatt - Platinum
Posts: 1,718
Well, it was last summer when I did just that, booking a DL "W" fare and then using a SWU to move up to J on the AF code share.. Of course, do to this, "O" inventory has to be available for your desired flight.
However, there now seems to be some doubt about being able to do this anymore.
However, there now seems to be some doubt about being able to do this anymore.
Feb 15, 2013, 3:54 pm
#27
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Seattle/Denver, USA
Programs: W/P1.9MM & Charter+ DL Diamond 2.15MM, AA EXP 1.95MM, AS MVP .6MM, O/P .9MM, A/C & S/C
Posts: 402
Upgrade to PV
How can you upgrade to PV from basic econ. What fare bucket does the econ have to be, etc.
Sorry if this is covered, but I can't find it on delta.dumb Thanks
Sorry if this is covered, but I can't find it on delta.dumb Thanks
Feb 15, 2013, 4:02 pm
#28
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Location: LHR
Programs: DL DM 2MM, BA Bronze, Various Hotels
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Feb 15, 2013, 9:23 pm
#29
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: The District
Programs: DL,AA SPG Plat
Posts: 352
To be honest I felt very cramped in AF PV. I am 6'3 and felt like the seat was uncomfortable and lacked padding in the butt area. I went numb several times. The recline feature is useless unless you are short and it frankly gets in the way. Those are my .02. YMMV. DL EC is pretty decent. If you can grab a Exit row that would be my play.
Feb 16, 2013, 7:25 pm
#30
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Programs: DL
Posts: 66
we had the 2 seats beside the window and we felt like we were in our own(small) private space. We both loved the extra space, it was well worth the money. we flew dtw/bcn and dbx/cdg/dtw.
economy comfort could not compare with PV.
economy comfort could not compare with PV.