CDG transfer time / Nested trip?
Feb 6, 2013 | 10:14 pm
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CDG transfer time / Nested trip?
My fiancee and I are looking at a trip to Paris, by way of Paris, to Istanbul.
IAD - CDG - IST // IST - CDG // CDG - IST // IST - AMS - IAD
First off -- if we choose to fly through IST and then head to back to Paris (whether on Skyteam or a different airline), is it possible we could get in trouble?
Second -- what's the minimum transfer time in CDG? Obviously, we'd have to pass customs in Paris, and then get to a plane to Istanbul (where we'd hang out for a few days) -- the time the flight we are looking at is only 70 minutes. That seems dangerous to me. Thanks!!!
IAD - CDG - IST // IST - CDG // CDG - IST // IST - AMS - IAD
First off -- if we choose to fly through IST and then head to back to Paris (whether on Skyteam or a different airline), is it possible we could get in trouble?
Second -- what's the minimum transfer time in CDG? Obviously, we'd have to pass customs in Paris, and then get to a plane to Istanbul (where we'd hang out for a few days) -- the time the flight we are looking at is only 70 minutes. That seems dangerous to me. Thanks!!!
Feb 6, 2013 | 10:32 pm
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CDG transfer time / Nested trip?
70 min in CDG is suicidal especially to a different airline on a different ticket where you need to re-check-in and re-check luggage if any after customs/immigration (EU from Turkey requires immigration right?). Even if not, you won't even make the check-in cutoff time and if there are any kind of IROPs you're screwed.
Why are you arranging things this way?
Why are you arranging things this way?
Feb 6, 2013 | 10:58 pm
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70 min in CDG is suicidal especially to a different airline on a different ticket where you need to re-check-in and re-check luggage if any after customs/immigration (EU from Turkey requires immigration right?). Even if not, you won't even make the check-in cutoff time and if there are any kind of IROPs you're screwed.
Why are you arranging things this way?
Why are you arranging things this way?
As for the reason we'd be going to Istanbul to go back to Paris, it's that it costs about $750 less total, plus we could hang out in Istanbul for a few days.
Feb 7, 2013 | 9:52 am
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I'm not necessarily. This is one way we've looked at. And this is why I'm asking in the first place -- I don't know how it all works. 99% of my travel in my life has been domestic.
As for the reason we'd be going to Istanbul to go back to Paris, it's that it costs about $750 less total, plus we could hang out in Istanbul for a few days.
As for the reason we'd be going to Istanbul to go back to Paris, it's that it costs about $750 less total, plus we could hang out in Istanbul for a few days.
Personally, I would not risk it and only use two separate tickets if I had a couple of days in Paris before and after the Istanbul flights.
Feb 7, 2013 | 10:00 am
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70 minutes wouldn't be nearly enough in the OP's scenario - even if it were to Skyteam or even, say, AF to AF - I'm skeptical of CDG from past experiences. Just last November going through CDG to IST, we barely made it on the outbound leg with 2 hours and that was AF to AF. Coming back we had 2.5 hours AF to DL, but made it with minutes to spare because the AF and DL systems weren't playing nice, and none of us who boarded in IST were showing as checked-in to Delta. Seats were being given away for those of us who were "no shows" and it took an hour at the service desk to get it fixed. YMMV of course.
But with different airlines especially, I'd build in at one day pad just to be safe, personally.
But with different airlines especially, I'd build in at one day pad just to be safe, personally.
Feb 7, 2013 | 11:15 am
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I honestly would only doing such a trip on different tickets if I had several hours at CDG for changing planes. If you are on a different airline you *will* have to pick up your luggage, go through customs, change terminals, and check in again. If, e.g., you change from terminal 1 to terminal 2 I would plan on this taking at least 1.5h in case nothing(!) goes wrong. Plan at least another couple of hours in case your flight arrives late and things like that.
Personally, I would not risk it and only use two separate tickets if I had a couple of days in Paris before and after the Istanbul flights.
Personally, I would not risk it and only use two separate tickets if I had a couple of days in Paris before and after the Istanbul flights.
IAD->(CDG connection)->IST on ST
IST->(CDG connection)->IAD in ST
And
IST->CDG->IST on whatever
So the CDG connections are on a single ticket, all on ST. So not as bad as some think.
The connection to worry about is IST (particularly comming home) where they will switch paper and perhaps airlines. That one needs a lot of padding.
To the OP, this is a completely legit nested ticket, so you can do it all on ST if desired. All you are doing is buying A->B->A with B->C->B inside of that. The connection in CDG means nothing (as long as you don't try something as dumb as missing the next leg).
Feb 8, 2013 | 1:25 am
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I read the OP as having:
IAD->(CDG connection)->IST on ST
IST->(CDG connection)->IAD in ST
And
IST->CDG->IST on whatever
So the CDG connections are on a single ticket, all on ST. So not as bad as some think.
The connection to worry about is IST (particularly comming home) where they will switch paper and perhaps airlines. That one needs a lot of padding.
To the OP, this is a completely legit nested ticket, so you can do it all on ST if desired. All you are doing is buying A->B->A with B->C->B inside of that. The connection in CDG means nothing (as long as you don't try something as dumb as missing the next leg).
IAD->(CDG connection)->IST on ST
IST->(CDG connection)->IAD in ST
And
IST->CDG->IST on whatever
So the CDG connections are on a single ticket, all on ST. So not as bad as some think.
The connection to worry about is IST (particularly comming home) where they will switch paper and perhaps airlines. That one needs a lot of padding.
To the OP, this is a completely legit nested ticket, so you can do it all on ST if desired. All you are doing is buying A->B->A with B->C->B inside of that. The connection in CDG means nothing (as long as you don't try something as dumb as missing the next leg).
Our plan is to be in Paris. We can fly IAD -> IST w/ a layover in CDG for $500 or go direct from IAD to CDG for $1200. It's silly. I get the reasoning, but it's still silly. Nesting a trip is what our best strategy is.
Feb 8, 2013 | 2:55 am
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IAD-IST via CDG is non-Schengen to non-Schengen and should be a T-2E to T-2E connection. IIRC the MCT for intra-T-2E is 90 minutes.
Feb 8, 2013 | 5:20 am
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I am still worried about your IST-CDG-IST ticket. only do this if you have significant(!!!!) time between your flights.
Feb 8, 2013 | 7:16 am
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If you wish to receive more helpful suggestions, it would be wise for you to post the airlines, dates and times of all your proposed flights. Some of the posts mention AMS as well as CDG and IST, which makes it hard to offer specific comments.