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Originally Posted by exwannabe
(Post 20069566)
It has not been addressed, but the assumption would be the overall spend there would not qualify, the airfare would unless it comes under the "certain specialty tickets" exception.
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Originally Posted by Kwaj boy
(Post 20069520)
Sorry if this question was asked already but I left this forum and came back an hour later and the number of posts had almost quadrupled- imagine that. Has anyone inquired if money spent on Delta Vacations and/or Delta Cruises will count towards the MQD thresholds? Airfares purchased there are 006 ticket stock but hotels and other stuff are also included in the one total price paid. I don't typically spend a huge amount there but every little bit will help..
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Originally Posted by standardgirl
(Post 20069492)
If so, a few years later, quite a few who don't spend that much would end up with tons of rollover MQM in their account, which effectively makes qualification purely MQD driven...
On the one hand, this may mean that DL doesn't need to devalue the award chart, since many elites wouldn't be in a position to choose award tickets over purchased ones; on the other, I could also see an increase in gifted award tickets. (I do have the Platinum Amex, and if I could put my NYC rent on it things would be golden--indeed, I could probably reach PM. But alas, like many people noted above, not everyone can put mortgage/rent on the card.) |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20066369)
What an absolutely baseless assumption. Many of us use corporate cards for most of our travel, and my mortgage company, car loan company and neighborhood gas station do not take AmEx. Other than those things, I don't spend anywhere near $25k/year, nor could I possible even think of being that wasteful.
Having money and spending money are two very different things. People who appreciate the difference will likely not have $25k/year charge card spends without business travel, mortgage or car note payments. |
This has killed a lot of DL elites here...
Well, this is the final straw. First, you keep the MDMs to control the flow of the elites, but you are also trying to fill up every single plane during the course of the calendar year. This will effectively decrease the load factor for all the elites, and eventually, less people will fly DL.
I seriously don't know what the revenue management is thinking. If you have to use ridiculously cheap tickets to lure people to fly DL, you have some problems filling up the aircraft. Now, you are basically telling all the elites that don't even bother getting cheap tickets because we don't need you to be a top elite member with DL. Grass isn't always greener, but please look at what AA and UA do. They still keep track of the revenue per passenger, but that doesn't mean they require all the dollars spent on regular elite levels(e.g. Concierge Key, Global Services) So why do you have to alienate yourself from all other airlines? The MDM requirements are just bogus. This essentially requires you to either pay for the tickets directly in DL.com and throw off all the purchases in EX, TL, Big O and all other OTAs which involve the flights through DL but ticketed by any SkyTeam member. So DL, you want us to stick with your lousy BE cabin, pay premium for it to get to elite status? If you get a great deal of discounted J, mind you, you still have to get the DL issued number and most probably in DL metal to get the MDMs recorded for elite qualification. J/F in KE, KL, AF, CI, you are basically screwed. You may well start looking for another FFP in ST, which almost all sucks. You have all the inline agreements to get the revenue from ST partner, but why would you still try to keep your best customers away from DL? As a triple-threat FTer, I could only think of a couple of reasons to stay in DL before. I do have a couple of paid J tickets in KE and DL, but I won't go that far to qualify for top elite this year. Your award redemption just doesn't make much sense either. |
This makes me very angry.
I just got to Gold (for the very first time!) for this year on 12/30. Nearly all of those were BIS miles. None of it was business travel, either. All personal. But I did not spend $5000 in 2012 on DL flights. I took advantage of their 4th of July sale (LAX-LHR $1,776 Business Class) to get a heap of those 50,000+ miles. This decision pretty much means that I won't ever bother with a Business Class fare sale again, since it won't add enough $$$ to the pile to help reach the new "MQD" limit. I don’t want to be beholden to one single airline for my AmEx card. So I have a ‘regular’ (non-DL) AmEx. I finally reach Gold after giving DL more business than ever before, and my reward for it is to be probably shut out from reaching it ever again? The removal of the "M" fare perq is another twist of the knife. With the 50%-100% bonus bump on the higher fares it's just another way of screwing the 99%. Thanks a whole lot, Delta. |
I wouldn't bother moving to another airline/alliance if I were you... The other carriers are sure to follow with similar revenue-based programs.
I'm okay with these changes. I really appreciate the 1 year advance notice too. It gives time to analyze how much I spend. I also think this will thin out the elite pools a bit. I wonder too if a new "secret" revenue tier is being silently introduced...I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Originally Posted by NapaPatTours
(Post 20069427)
With full understanding that many of you spend significantly more than $2,500 on just one RT, I still want to voice my opinion on this:
I travel ~40,000/yr (mostly DL, but ~10,000 on *A & US). The significant majority is planned well in advance (my trip to Europe in 3 weeks was booked last April). Because I rarely book last-minute, I rarely pay anything close to full fare. I feel I'm being penalized for having a pre-planned travel schedule which allows me to book at the lower fare. It appears to me that DL is trying very hard to push me to *A, who already fly NS from DTW to NYC, MIA & CHI, which are my major bus travel routes. Way to go Delta! |
Originally Posted by Riot_Nrrrd
(Post 20069744)
With the 50%-100% bonus bump on the higher fares it's just another way of screwing the 99%.
Thanks a whole lot, Delta. #OccupyDelta |
"Delta marketed". I realize it needs to have a DL flight number but does this mean that it has to be ticketed that way or just is code shared with the DL flight number existing alongside the other carrier.
Example: if I book BOS-BLR I could: A) book DL operated flight BOS-JFK-CDG and then an AF flight to BLR ALL using DL flight numbers B) book DL operated flight BOS-JFK-CDG using DL flight numbers and then an AF flight to BLR using AF flight number C) book the AF operated flights BOS-CDG-BLR ALL on DL flight numbers D) same as C but with AF numbers Lets say the ticket is $6000 (business class) would my MQD be $6000 regardless or would each carry different MQD as say: $6000 for A&C, $0 for D, and something in between for B? Apologies if already covered above. |
Originally Posted by DelrayChris
(Post 20069544)
As it should be, IMHO. The MQM clock should reset to zero each and every year.
(Ironically, I ended up getting a couple more trips on Delta because of work and then an AmEx sign-up bonus, and went from Silver to Gold, so I was really glad I went with DL instead of US, so going with DL for Christmas turned out to be a really good call). I don't get the complaints with roll-over. If I fly 60,000 MQMs one year, carry over 10,000 MQMs, and then fly 40,000 MQMs the following year for a total of 100,000 MQMs over two years and thus 2 years of Gold, why is that somehow "worse" than someone who split their flying evenly and flew 50,000 MQMs both years? The end result to DL is the same. And these new spend requirements ensure that those with a lot of roll-over still fly in the current year to justify the retention of their status. |
I did not read all 38 pages, buy I am not following the "this is so horrible" attitude. Correct me if I am wrong:
1. Use still get MQM from skyteam partners even if they ticket it, correct? (yes, realize no MQD) 2. MQD requirements are waived if you hit 25k in AMEX spend, which you if keep up on the craft, is quite simple. (I was doing it to mileage run from home on Reserve.) Now I kill two birds with one stone? I like that if I end up in front more often and I can still do true mileage runs, too, on anyone. Am I missing something? |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 20066620)
Actually, A LOT of the short-segment midwest stuff is EXPENSIVE...has been since the NW days. Look at DTW-PHL, DTW-MKE, etc.
I'm also looking forward to a thinner herd as well. |
Originally Posted by DLFan2
(Post 20068541)
I feel sure that the source of the funds used to purchase a ticket is irrelevant.
Jeez. Given a choice, DL would more likely throw the few non-corporate fliers under the bus to keep the much more lucrative GEs, GMs, Microsofts and WalMarts happy. |
Hello to *A and bye bye Skyteam.
Devalue the Sky Pesos is one horrible move but now this, glad I have nothing for 2013 booked. Time to burn up the very valuble SM on a trip if one can be found at the Never found low rates :D |
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
(Post 20069794)
I did not read all 38 pages, buy I am not following the "this is so horrible" attitude. Correct me if I am wrong:
1. Use still get MQM from skyteam partners even if they ticket it, correct? (yes, realize no MQD) 2. MQD requirements are waived if you hit 25k in spend, which you if keep up on the craft, is quite simple. (I was doing it to mileage run from home on Reserve.) Now I kill two bird with one stone? I like that if I end up in front more often and I can still do true mileage runs, too, on anyone. Am I missing something? |
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