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FlyDeltaJets87 Jan 17, 2013 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by Riot_Nrrrd (Post 20069744)
This makes me very angry.

I just got to Gold (for the very first time!) for this year on 12/30. Nearly all of those were BIS miles. None of it was business travel, either. All personal.

But I did not spend $5000 in 2012 on DL flights. I took advantage of their 4th of July sale (LAX-LHR $1,776 Business Class) to get a heap of those 50,000+ miles.

This decision pretty much means that I won't ever bother with a Business Class fare sale again, since it won't add enough $$$ to the pile to help reach the new "MQD" limit.

I don’t want to be beholden to one single airline for my AmEx card. So I have a ‘regular’ (non-DL) AmEx.

I finally reach Gold after giving DL more business than ever before, and my reward for it is to be probably shut out from reaching it ever again?

The removal of the "M" fare perq is another twist of the knife. With the 50%-100% bonus bump on the higher fares it's just another way of screwing the 99%.

Thanks a whole lot, Delta.

Don't fool yourself. You only gave Delta your business because Delta was giving away the farm. You admitted that by admitting that you aren't a big spender and that you bought the deeply discounted Business Elite fare sale. So don't be shocked when Delta cuts back on your benefits because the revenue you're giving them isn't justifying the benefits they're giving you in return. That may be a tough pill to swallow, but that's the facts of life. Delta is finally (indirectly) putting a price on the MQM to prevent people from working the system.

StayingHomeIsBetter Jan 17, 2013 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan (Post 20069794)
I did not read all 38 pages, buy I am not following the "this is so horrible" attitude. Correct me if I am wrong:

1. Use still get MQM from skyteam partners even if they ticket it, correct? (yes, realize no MQD)
2. MQD requirements are waived if you hit 25k in AMEX spend, which you if keep up on the craft, is quite simple. (I was doing it to mileage run from home on Reserve.) Now I kill two birds with one stone? I like that if I end up in front more often and I can still do true mileage runs, too, on anyone.

Am I missing something?

Significantly reduced MQMs on some partners...

GRALISTAIR Jan 17, 2013 2:39 pm

looks like I had the right idea but was a little off with my predictions
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19278219-post15.html

exwannabe Jan 17, 2013 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by jsbh (Post 20069775)
"Delta marketed". I realize it needs to have a DL flight number but does this mean that it has to be ticketed that way or just is code shared with the DL flight number existing alongside the other carrier.

Example: if I book BOS-BLR I could:
A) book DL operated flight BOS-JFK-CDG and then an AF flight to BLR ALL using DL flight numbers

B) book DL operated flight BOS-JFK-CDG using DL flight numbers and then an AF flight to BLR using AF flight number

C) book the AF operated flights BOS-CDG-BLR ALL on DL flight numbers

D) same as C but with AF numbers

Lets say the ticket is $6000 (business class) would my MQD be $6000 regardless or would each carry different MQD as say: $6000 for A&C, $0 for D, and something in between for B?


Apologies if already covered above.

If your ticket is purchased on DL paper (006 ticket number) it all counts.
if your ticket is purchased on some other paper, the segments that have DLXXX on your ticket count.

So in your examples,

If an 006 ticket:

A) 6000
B) 6000
C) 6000
D) 6000

For any other ticket:

A) 6000
B) something in between
C) 6000
D) 0

dean1121 Jan 17, 2013 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by bubbashow (Post 20065950)
These Medallion program changes will better recognize and reward our elite customers. These changes will create an even more exclusive Medallion experience and make it easier for Medallion members to enjoy their benefits, including Unlimited Complimentary Upgrades, Economy Comfort™ access, Preferred Seats and Priority Boarding.

Dwayne.....

THANK YOU! This is a change long-needed. When everyone is "elite", nobody is elite.

I concur with Bubba as usual.

Maybe there have been more people like me than I thought. Since my rollover piled up over the years (started this year with 650000) I have been flying AA and spending 10s of thousands that used to go to DL. I just had no incentive to stay loyal.

I will easily qualify for DM in the new system but might find it harder to stay EXP with AA so I will probably lean more DL and get most of my eggs back in their basket.

This is a good change, I would have liked a higher threshold for MQD must that's just me being selfish.

Well done DL Elite is coming back.

RobertS975 Jan 17, 2013 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by BobRoss (Post 20067012)
MQD:
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...n-dollars.html

FAQ:
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...lars-faqs.html

This should probably be re-posted by a mod and made a sticky, as I bet lots of folks will ask these questions over and over

The FAQs do not mention the DL Reserve card at all, just the DL Skymiles card. Hard to believe that they have ignored this product.

motytrah Jan 17, 2013 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87 (Post 20069827)
Don't fool yourself. You only gave Delta your business because Delta was giving away the farm.

In terms of SkyClub memberships. Yes. In terms of Y/B/M fare prices, award inventory and premium cabin UPGs? I think not. DL's issue with Medallion inflation started the moment you could earn MQMs on affinity credit cards, and continued through straight up MQM purchase and Roll-over MQM.

The annual SkyMiles program updates continue to read like the book "The King, The Mice, and The Cheese". Say what you will about NW WorldPerks, I think the program did one thing really well. EQM came from BIS, period.

bpe Jan 17, 2013 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87 (Post 20069827)
Don't fool yourself. You only gave Delta your business because Delta was giving away the farm. You admitted that by admitting that you aren't a big spender and that you bought the deeply discounted Business Elite fare sale. So don't be shocked when Delta cuts back on your benefits because the revenue you're giving them isn't justifying the benefits they're giving you in return. That may be a tough pill to swallow, but that's the facts of life. Delta is finally (indirectly) putting a price on the MQM to prevent people from working the system.

Indirectly putting a price on MQM? It seems pretty direct to me.

But the thing is, these semi-regular lesiure travelers (myself included, although I fly mostly *A or AS now) do bring in a fair amount of revenue, and if this really is driving them away it could be an issue. Most of said travelers would be only hitting FO, (and a few such as Riot_Nrrrd are reaching GM), but I don't see why Delta would want to drive would-be FOs away like this.

I get the minimum spend requirements for GM and higher, but if anything, letting more people get or keep FO status without spend requirements would get them to stay loyal to Delta, perhaps spend more to get a higher level, and simply keep them from getting silver on United (or AA or US) instead. It can't 'cost' a whole lot for Delta to keep FOs, since pretty much all they're getting is a free bag, the very occasional upgrade, and a few extra RDMs.

DMIrishFlyer Jan 17, 2013 2:52 pm

Been mulling over this today... i'm probably going to make PM this year and may struggle to make GM BUT I did a quick look back and would have made the MQD threshold for each of the years I have been PM..

Overall i think it accomplishes what it needs to - make the elite program more elite. Not sure any of us can be upset about that.

RobertS975 Jan 17, 2013 2:54 pm

Actually, the more I think about it, why does DL care about MQMs at all? Why don't they simply say that if you spend $XXX/year on DL coded tickets, you get DM status? The actual miles flown are meaningless to DL because as we all know, mileage does not really correlate with revenue!

hazelrah Jan 17, 2013 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87 (Post 20069827)
Don't fool yourself. You only gave Delta your business because Delta was giving away the farm. You admitted that by admitting that you aren't a big spender and that you bought the deeply discounted Business Elite fare sale. So don't be shocked when Delta cuts back on your benefits because the revenue you're giving them isn't justifying the benefits they're giving you in return. That may be a tough pill to swallow, but that's the facts of life. Delta is finally (indirectly) putting a price on the MQM to prevent people from working the system.

Wait just a moment. If anyone chose to give away the farm, it was Delta. Delta of the $199.00 JFK-SFO transcon and J Fare $1776 LHR specials. All folks did was play by the rules no "working the system"

So Delta decides corporately that it's FF program is too generous or it needs to make cost cuts so be it. Yes Delta explicitly can change its program at any time without notice. This no reason to take the attitude that flyers screwed up.

tfc3rid Jan 17, 2013 2:55 pm

I've inventoried my trips thus far scheduled here in 2013... I've got 40,000 MQM bis scheduled through April (including ATL-TYO) at a grand total cost of $2,400...

We will see how this goes...

dean1121 Jan 17, 2013 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 20066132)
If a member has enough Rollover MQMs to qualify for 2015 Medallion status, he or she must still meet the MQDs threshold by spending on Delta flights in 2014 to qualify for status in the 2015 Medallion year.

I guess there will be fewer "I'm DM through 2020" or "I'm Double Diamond" posts around here in the future.

Yep and good riddance to Rollover. I'm just sorry it took this long and all my letters for this to happen.

jtrue28 Jan 17, 2013 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by RobertS975 (Post 20069638)
Very good question. And is the credit card spend just applicable to the DL Amex card, or does Reserve card spend count as well?

I would imagine, since the Reserve card is a "Delta AMEX" card, that once you acheive the $30K threshhold for the first 15K MQM bonus, that will kill two birds with one stone....as you've already met the required $25K spending on your way to the first threshhold.

hazelrah Jan 17, 2013 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by RobertS975 (Post 20069978)
Actually, the more I think about it, why does DL care about MQMs at all? Why don't they simply say that if you spend $XXX/year on DL coded tickets, you get DM status? The actual miles flown are meaningless to DL because as we all know, mileage does not really correlate with revenue!

Phase II?


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