DL V seat avails for upgrades
Dec 10, 2012, 12:10 am
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DL V seat avails for upgrades
sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but I am curious how Delta determines V class availability and how they manage it up to the upgrade windows.
Do they assign them at any specific point? Then do they stay constant until the upgrade windows or do they fluctuate based on paid demand or some other factor? Once the flight is released to airport control, does V class avail mean anything, or is there a separate gate controlled system?
I am curious because I am currently sitting on a Y fare as a FO but no V avail for a flight 2 weeks away so still under upgrade requested. Curious if I could get upgraded before upgrade windows for flight showing 0 V seat avail--but more curious how the whole system works if anyone has the answer.
Thanks.
Do they assign them at any specific point? Then do they stay constant until the upgrade windows or do they fluctuate based on paid demand or some other factor? Once the flight is released to airport control, does V class avail mean anything, or is there a separate gate controlled system?
I am curious because I am currently sitting on a Y fare as a FO but no V avail for a flight 2 weeks away so still under upgrade requested. Curious if I could get upgraded before upgrade windows for flight showing 0 V seat avail--but more curious how the whole system works if anyone has the answer.
Thanks.
Dec 10, 2012, 1:25 am
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DL V seat avails for upgrades
DL's process for doing this is valuable proprietary information and probably depends at least in part on human judgment calls. As a rule, if they think they can sell a seat they're not going to give it away.
The gate UG list retains the priority order that existed prior to gate control, so SWUs (but NOT waitlisted mileage UGs) and full Y fares will still be ahead of others.
A full Y fare even for an FO has pretty high priority so unless you are on a very tough route/time/day your chances are decent.
The gate UG list retains the priority order that existed prior to gate control, so SWUs (but NOT waitlisted mileage UGs) and full Y fares will still be ahead of others.
A full Y fare even for an FO has pretty high priority so unless you are on a very tough route/time/day your chances are decent.
Dec 10, 2012, 8:05 am
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sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but I am curious how Delta determines V class availability and how they manage it up to the upgrade windows.
Do they assign them at any specific point? Then do they stay constant until the upgrade windows or do they fluctuate based on paid demand or some other factor? Once the flight is released to airport control, does V class avail mean anything, or is there a separate gate controlled system?
I am curious because I am currently sitting on a Y fare as a FO but no V avail for a flight 2 weeks away so still under upgrade requested. Curious if I could get upgraded before upgrade windows for flight showing 0 V seat avail--but more curious how the whole system works if anyone has the answer.
Thanks.
Do they assign them at any specific point? Then do they stay constant until the upgrade windows or do they fluctuate based on paid demand or some other factor? Once the flight is released to airport control, does V class avail mean anything, or is there a separate gate controlled system?
I am curious because I am currently sitting on a Y fare as a FO but no V avail for a flight 2 weeks away so still under upgrade requested. Curious if I could get upgraded before upgrade windows for flight showing 0 V seat avail--but more curious how the whole system works if anyone has the answer.
Thanks.
I've had in the past Y fares upgraded immediately at booking, other at random time between booking and upgrade window and some at the gate.
Dec 12, 2012, 5:37 am
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Search the board for First Class Monetization (FCM). It will explain quite a bit about how Delta manages V inventory on certain routes.
My experience says if it's V=0 now, it will be that way until close to the departure date.
My experience says if it's V=0 now, it will be that way until close to the departure date.
Dec 12, 2012, 7:42 am
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I've seen V > 0 until right before the DM window opens, when DL sets it to D = 0. I've also gotten upgrades between the DM window and the gate, which indicates that DL has released some V inventory during that period.
Dec 12, 2012, 10:23 am
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If F is mostly full and V=0, it will probably stay that way until the gate clears upgrades. If there is plenty of space and V=0, it means DL is holding back upgrades to try to sell more F, or (if Y is fully booked) to allow them to overbook Y. In this case, DL may very well release some V inventory later on and upgrades could happen at random times within the window.