AA first class experiment
#31
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#32
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Nothing particular against AA - they are okay if their limited network aligns with yours - but this notion that more valuable miles justify taking second-best is something I can't relate to. DL simply offers, to my mind, a better travel experience, and that would hold true even if AA were not a bit of a basket-case right now.
#33
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Having spent a lot of time in both Delta and American lounges, the AA lounge experience is inferior in almost every way.
#34
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Correction: The Flagship lounges (while very nice) are only available if you are flying international first class. International business doesn't cut it.
#35


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You can also access Admirals Club and/or Flagship when flying certain transcons in J or F:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/trans-con-access.jsp
#36

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I think AA does a good job for what they have got. A bunch of old planes, older employees and higher costs make it tough for them to be competitive. Look at their 763s and their international product.....it really isn't up to par with DL. I'm just curious to see if the A321s ever come with the configuration they are claiming and if the 777-300s all have the promised product. If AA emerges from BK solo, I expect all of those announcements will come to be. However, if US and AA merge I am imagining all those plans to go out the door and the new airline to look more like US who is a legacy carrier but acts like a low cost carrier.
Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.
Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.
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I think AA does a good job for what they have got. A bunch of old planes, older employees and higher costs make it tough for them to be competitive. Look at their 763s and their international product.....it really isn't up to par with DL. I'm just curious to see if the A321s ever come with the configuration they are claiming and if the 777-300s all have the promised product. If AA emerges from BK solo, I expect all of those announcements will come to be. However, if US and AA merge I am imagining all those plans to go out the door and the new airline to look more like US who is a legacy carrier but acts like a low cost carrier.
Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.
Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.
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Last time I went to Costco, a handle of Makers ran me $36. Since I have no other hard figures, I'll assume it would cost the airline the same amount despite massive volume. Even someone who hits the alcohol moderately hard and packs away, say, 6 drinks during a 2-3 hour layover would consume about $5 worth. Sure, you could compare it to an airport bar and say that tab would have run $75, but the fact that the day pass visitor "only" pays $50 isn't why they don't serve better liquor. It's because of the members who they serve the stuff to all year long for a rate much lower than what the day pass visitors are paying.
#39
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Correction: AA EXP has access to Flagship when flying internationally regardless the class of service. Even Y is O.K.
You can also access Admirals Club and/or Flagship when flying certain transcons in J or F:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/trans-con-access.jsp
You can also access Admirals Club and/or Flagship when flying certain transcons in J or F:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/trans-con-access.jsp
#40
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#41
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#42
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#43
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I fly AA here and there, almost always paid J. I found the rules a bit more nuanced in terms of booze and internet. As Paid J I always received internet and drink certificates. I liked some AA clubs better than some of the DL clubs, in particular some of the converted PMNW clubs. Though I have a disdain for the AA's MIA clubs. Crowded, noisy, no really noisy, plus clearing customs in MIA is a real PITA.
And like DL, a lot of Caribean destinations are considered domestic F. No club, not all that much to differentiate from any other carrier. In true J to central and south america AA has a nicer soft product in my opinion. Hard product will depend on if you're talking narrow body or wide body. In particular if it's a DL route still running the 2x2x2 767s (ugh).
And like DL, a lot of Caribean destinations are considered domestic F. No club, not all that much to differentiate from any other carrier. In true J to central and south america AA has a nicer soft product in my opinion. Hard product will depend on if you're talking narrow body or wide body. In particular if it's a DL route still running the 2x2x2 767s (ugh).
#44
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Science can be expensive!
Too bad you didn't bother to ask anyone on the AA forum about the Admirals Club free alcohol policies (or look them up yourself on the interwebs) before you paid a $50 cover charge for the privilege of ordering a $12 boubon. Ouch. Had you asked before you "exprimented," someone would have warned you that the only free alcohol is the cheap stuff and that name brand drinks would cost you plenty.
Think about it for a minute though - do you really think AA would sell day passes to the lounge for a mere $50 if there was an unlimited open bar for that price?
Too bad you didn't bother to ask anyone on the AA forum about the Admirals Club free alcohol policies (or look them up yourself on the interwebs) before you paid a $50 cover charge for the privilege of ordering a $12 boubon. Ouch. Had you asked before you "exprimented," someone would have warned you that the only free alcohol is the cheap stuff and that name brand drinks would cost you plenty.
Think about it for a minute though - do you really think AA would sell day passes to the lounge for a mere $50 if there was an unlimited open bar for that price?

Granted, I should have done more research on the Admiral's club, but it was a short-fused trip, so I decided to just dive in and experiment.
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