First Class Lav for First Class Passengers.
#46
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One of the perks of first class (whether paid, upgrade, or award) is that the lav is almost always available. If one coach passenger were allowed to use the first class lav, inevitably others in coach would observe that and say "Hey, that guy could use the lav up front, why can't I?" Before long the first class aisle would be filled with passengers from the front half of coach waiting in line.
When I don't get the upgrade, I may glance longingly at the comfortable seats in first, at the complimentary adult beverages, at the meal on the long hauls and at the clear path to the lav and also at Mr Hudson being tended to by his Skysherpa (tm), but to no avail. Like the Munchkins who can never live in the Emerald City, the denizens of coachland can never enjoy the richness that is first class, other than to pass quickly through the aisle on their way to coachland.
When I don't get the upgrade, I may glance longingly at the comfortable seats in first, at the complimentary adult beverages, at the meal on the long hauls and at the clear path to the lav and also at Mr Hudson being tended to by his Skysherpa (tm), but to no avail. Like the Munchkins who can never live in the Emerald City, the denizens of coachland can never enjoy the richness that is first class, other than to pass quickly through the aisle on their way to coachland.
#47
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The OP is a Gold...what are you kidding me? It is a known fact that Diamonds are the only Elite level allowed to use any Lav on an AC. I am not even sure a Gold should be allowed to fly in the same airframe let alone use the lav...outrageous.
#48
Join Date: Dec 2009
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I was in 4c on and MD90 MSP-SAN today. There were a couple of folks from coach using the forward Lav. It didn't seem to bother anyone. It didn't bother me either. Of course, I didn't pay for it either...I was upgraded^
It did cross my mind that this could be interesting fodder for FT and voila!
There was no announcement as to where one was or was not allowed to relieve oneself.
Of course, the FA's were being particularly nice because we were delayed over 2 hours and actually had to swap planes because the exit sign up front was missing the little plastic cover...but that's another story.
It was announced on my outbound to BNA that "due to safety" passengers must use the lav located in their cabins.
It did cross my mind that this could be interesting fodder for FT and voila!
There was no announcement as to where one was or was not allowed to relieve oneself.
Of course, the FA's were being particularly nice because we were delayed over 2 hours and actually had to swap planes because the exit sign up front was missing the little plastic cover...but that's another story.
It was announced on my outbound to BNA that "due to safety" passengers must use the lav located in their cabins.
#49
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Don't feel too bad. I was in 3B the other day and had to go to the back and use the scums' commode because someone from Y came to the F cabin to take a 20 minute shiyte.
#50
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Los Angeles
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The main official reason I have heard for enforcing use of which lav is that it helps to prevent lines at the front of the plane, right near the pilots' area. I was on a flight recently where the FAs were blocking access to the front lav area while one of the pilots exited to use the lav.
#51
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Well, I don't blame him for not wanting to stink up the lav in his cabin...especially if he was sitting anywhere near it. But, of course, his own ... don't stink!
#52
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Maybe I should clarify a little... I'm fine with the separations, I just was appalled by the way the FA handled it. It was quite rude. If he nicely asked me to use the rear lav this wouldn't be a problem.
#53
Join Date: Aug 2001
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Well, if your point was the demeanor of the FA and not the policy enforcement/ non-enforcement, then by all means, send a note. We've all seen the good and the bad in customer service with FA's. I think it's important to make Delta aware of both situations. I try to send at least one "good" note for any "bad" one. And I pick my battles. (I'm sure DL keeps track of "the whiners" and your complaint number influence how serious they take the criticism)
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Well, if your point was the demeanor of the FA and not the policy enforcement/ non-enforcement, then by all means, send a note. We've all seen the good and the bad in customer service with FA's. I think it's important to make Delta aware of both situations. I try to send at least one "good" note for any "bad" one. And I pick my battles. (I'm sure DL keeps track of "the whiners" and your complaint number influence how serious they take the criticism)
Should net you 7500 miles.
#55
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I think they've lowered their allotments. I had more of a constructive comment a few weeks ago about how a mechanical delay transpired (legitimately constructive...didn't want anything) and got 5500 miles.
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I was shocked to learn that you only received 5500 miles for your mechanical delay several weeks ago. I can only imagine your horror and disappointment at seeing such a small number. I have added 5500 miles to your Skymiles account. Please allow 1-3 business days for this to post.
Sincerely,
Delta.
#57
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DL F Lavs
Ok, on flight 2421 MSP-LAX right now. Seated in an exit row, was a gajillion of eleventy billion on the UG list, as this is a Medallion-heavy route and I'm a lowly GM. Got up to use the lav and quite a line was forming at the rear facilities, so I went up to the front lav, as there was no line. The F FA said, "I'm gonna have to have you use the rear lav." I replied with, "There's a line in the back." He replied with a shrug and walked away.
I understand that there's a "separation" of the cabins but come on! This is the FIRST time this has happened to me and the first time I've ever witnessed this. Is it worthy of a complaint to Delta or am I just whining? (Ok, maybe don't answer that. Ha!) I felt like a second class citizen by the way the FA interacted with me.
I understand that there's a "separation" of the cabins but come on! This is the FIRST time this has happened to me and the first time I've ever witnessed this. Is it worthy of a complaint to Delta or am I just whining? (Ok, maybe don't answer that. Ha!) I felt like a second class citizen by the way the FA interacted with me.
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Anyway, I don't know why I am even wasting my time responding to this. Most in this thread are not Diamonds and as such do not deserve to be on Flyertalk.
#59
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I've had quite the opposite happen to me. Recently, I was sitting near the front of Y and got up to go to the bathroom. The FA smiled and told me to go ahead and use the F lav. Probably because they were serving drinks and the cart was in the aisle, but surprised me nonetheless. The FA in F never even said a word. I guess it depends on the crew.
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