Goodbye SEA and SUX res...Friday 7/27 visit to Seattle with Discount Travel Codes
#106
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You got it. I'm a humble traveller with meager needs. I just want to fly between MSP-MDW-DTW-CVG-PIT. Once there, I want to rent a car and drive for two hours into the corn fields to visit customers.
My miles are used for economy tickets so that my wife can join me on these mundane adventures. We are particularily fond of the Hampton Inn in Ottawa, Illinois. They have free cookies every evening.
Help me understand why I should foot the bill for "high maintenance" customers who need award upgrades when flying Air France between Hamburg and Zurich. Hopefully you will have a good answer by the time I finish my latest foray; MSP-CLE on an RJ with no first class.
My miles are used for economy tickets so that my wife can join me on these mundane adventures. We are particularily fond of the Hampton Inn in Ottawa, Illinois. They have free cookies every evening.
Help me understand why I should foot the bill for "high maintenance" customers who need award upgrades when flying Air France between Hamburg and Zurich. Hopefully you will have a good answer by the time I finish my latest foray; MSP-CLE on an RJ with no first class.
(At least, I hope this is a troll.)
#107
Join Date: Apr 2012
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As a former res employee I can tell you the reasons that where listed for a "high maintenance" customer account for about 20% of calls I would take on a normal day, one without a major storm in a hub. Most calls recieved are first time flyers or the once a year family trip travelers that want help with finding cost effective ways of getting thier trip, and questions about travel that most seasoned travelers already know ie; travel documents, baggage fees, seating. Medical emergency, bereavement and military travel still require over the phone assistance, along with UMNR, passengers with disibilities (service animals, bulk head seating), becuase of these things I don't think that call centers are going anywhere.
Even in IROPs we have the tools to get a lot of things done that you can't do on social media. During the Christmas blizzard in NYC last year I got authorization to get a gentleman to LHR (not an alt station) and assisted in getting him train schedules to ARN instead of waiting for the next available flight a week later. This type of thing can't be done all the time, but in extreme circumstances, reps can get authorization for out of the ordinary assistance.
Also with the two domestic call centers still opperating until September, I find it hard to believe that calls are being routed to VJE already.
Even in IROPs we have the tools to get a lot of things done that you can't do on social media. During the Christmas blizzard in NYC last year I got authorization to get a gentleman to LHR (not an alt station) and assisted in getting him train schedules to ARN instead of waiting for the next available flight a week later. This type of thing can't be done all the time, but in extreme circumstances, reps can get authorization for out of the ordinary assistance.
Also with the two domestic call centers still opperating until September, I find it hard to believe that calls are being routed to VJE already.
#108
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You got it. I'm a humble traveller with meager needs. I just want to fly between MSP-MDW-DTW-CVG-PIT. Once there, I want to rent a car and drive for two hours into the corn fields to visit customers.
My miles are used for economy tickets so that my wife can join me on these mundane adventures. We are particularily fond of the Hampton Inn in Ottawa, Illinois. They have free cookies every evening.
Help me understand why I should foot the bill for "high maintenance" customers who need award upgrades when flying Air France between Hamburg and Zurich. Hopefully you will have a good answer by the time I finish my latest foray; MSP-CLE on an RJ with no first class.
My miles are used for economy tickets so that my wife can join me on these mundane adventures. We are particularily fond of the Hampton Inn in Ottawa, Illinois. They have free cookies every evening.
Help me understand why I should foot the bill for "high maintenance" customers who need award upgrades when flying Air France between Hamburg and Zurich. Hopefully you will have a good answer by the time I finish my latest foray; MSP-CLE on an RJ with no first class.
It doesn't matter if there is never a high maintenance customer on any of your flights. Those, like myself, who want to make a reservation that is impossible on Delta.com, are contributing to the cost of Delta's headquarters staff, those nice buildings on Virginia Avenue, the lobbyists it must keep on salary in DC, etc.
If we don't chip in for these things, you will have to chip in more. Do you really want to chase us to other airlines?
#109
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That, Dovster, is a really curious view of costs. By your logic, more high-cost customers drives down the average cost.
#110
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Formerly at PIT, now planted near MSP.
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How many of your calls could have easily been taken care of by the customer, had the customer been allowed access to right software? For instance, how many issues did you clear up by reading a screen to a customer that presented three options, and then you typed in the verbal response to the options?
#111
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It unquestionably costs Delta more to fly me TLV-JFK in Biz Elite than it does to fly someone else JFK-ATL in economy. Still, I drive down Delta's average cost per customer.
In fact, every customer, even that guy in Y JFK-ATL drives down the average cost per customer, simply by spreading the fixed costs of running the company over a greater number of customers.
#112
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How many of your calls could have easily been taken care of by the customer, had the customer been allowed access to right software? For instance, how many issues did you clear up by reading a screen to a customer that presented three options, and then you typed in the verbal response to the options?
Not everyone wants to DYI, not can they.
I actually do a LOT 'behind the scenes' as I make a reservation, (I'm a notorious hummer as I work too) - lets people know that there is still an alive person helping them out, and I loathe putting someone on hold unless I have to.
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#113
Join Date: Apr 2012
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How many of your calls could have easily been taken care of by the customer, had the customer been allowed access to right software? For instance, how many issues did you clear up by reading a screen to a customer that presented three options, and then you typed in the verbal response to the options?
If they gave access to medical emergency fares and bereavement fares online with out some kind of check and balance every ticket on every flight would be an emergency fare, every ticket would be on a mileage UG waitlist and every person would have a disablity allowing them to assign bulk head seats. Five year olds would be on red eye connecting flights and twelve people would have pets in cabin on any given flight.
Until every person has internet, which they don't, and are as computer savey as you, are reps will be needed, it is surprising the number of calls I got on a regular basis from a medallion member looking for the flight they take all the time but can't find on the website only because they didn't realize there was a lowest fare and all schedules search option.
Even it all the airlines within skyteam or whatever alliance a specific airlines is in all used the same booking software, with the same pricing scale, same inventory management, and they all have the same policies it would be impossible for everything to be done online.
#114
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Thanks for sharing the article.
I found this quote from the story to be very interesting:
“The city said the airline is responsible for paying out the remainder of the lease and taxes. It will also hold them to paying back the remainder of a forgivable loan they were given as part of an incentive package to come to Sioux City in 2007. Officials are still going over the original contract, but at this point they estimate Delta will pay the city $500,000 dollars a year for the next five and a half years.”
If true, Delta will have to pay roughly $2,750,000.
Another interesting quote from the article:
“There was a lot of speculation the closure had to do with the city's choice of American Airlines over Delta for a federal air service grant. Exactly one week ago, Delta flew out of Sioux City for the last time.”
I found this quote from the story to be very interesting:
“The city said the airline is responsible for paying out the remainder of the lease and taxes. It will also hold them to paying back the remainder of a forgivable loan they were given as part of an incentive package to come to Sioux City in 2007. Officials are still going over the original contract, but at this point they estimate Delta will pay the city $500,000 dollars a year for the next five and a half years.”
If true, Delta will have to pay roughly $2,750,000.
Another interesting quote from the article:
“There was a lot of speculation the closure had to do with the city's choice of American Airlines over Delta for a federal air service grant. Exactly one week ago, Delta flew out of Sioux City for the last time.”
SEA was a call center that I think many were surprised stayed around this long. It is in a high cost city with a low number of employees. I feel for the people impacted but it appears that DL just went with the call centers that were most under utilized and had the smallest headcounts. Seems like if DL offers to move the folks from SEA to another office that they should be well off since SEA is a high cost city. MSP, SLC, HIB, CVG, DFW, ATL or TPA would all be far cheaper to live in. I wish all the impacted employees the best! Consolidation is never easy
#115
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Seriously, tell most people who live in Seattle that they're being moved to Cincinnati or Tampa, and see how far pumping the cost of living will get you.
#116
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Most of the folks who have posted in this thread a are right - it's about the real estate more than anything else. DL outright owns it's buildings in some res offices, and rent in SEA is pretty ugly, especially for such underused space.
I'm sure DL have some kind of lease agreement 'down there', and I try not to think too much about those particular logistics, but rest assured, Delta is one of the few airlines that has it's call centers primarily in the US, and is a HUGE US employer - I swear, I think 90% of SLC's economy is supported by DL and Alanta will someday be renamed CNNCocacolaDeltaville .
It's not just the 'high maintenance' traveler who requires phone assistance. We have callers who don't even use a computer (a small percentage of my callers don't even have e-mail), I sure don't own a 'smart phone' (mine is a prepaid basic phone that suits me fine) Unaccompanied minors MUST have a phone rep (often correcting the fact that a 9 year old has been booked on the last red-eye flight of the night) some people PREFER to have the 'personal touch' - I can book award travel from two different accounts, a credit card ticket, and an UMR who's actually traveling with one adult one way, and an entirely different adult the other, AND get seat assignments in the bargain, in the space of 5 minutes - something ya can't do from a smart phone!
I'm sure DL have some kind of lease agreement 'down there', and I try not to think too much about those particular logistics, but rest assured, Delta is one of the few airlines that has it's call centers primarily in the US, and is a HUGE US employer - I swear, I think 90% of SLC's economy is supported by DL and Alanta will someday be renamed CNNCocacolaDeltaville .
It's not just the 'high maintenance' traveler who requires phone assistance. We have callers who don't even use a computer (a small percentage of my callers don't even have e-mail), I sure don't own a 'smart phone' (mine is a prepaid basic phone that suits me fine) Unaccompanied minors MUST have a phone rep (often correcting the fact that a 9 year old has been booked on the last red-eye flight of the night) some people PREFER to have the 'personal touch' - I can book award travel from two different accounts, a credit card ticket, and an UMR who's actually traveling with one adult one way, and an entirely different adult the other, AND get seat assignments in the bargain, in the space of 5 minutes - something ya can't do from a smart phone!
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#118
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Better yet–we could move them to an all-expenses-paid farmhouse in Nunavut! Delta wouldn't have to pay them at all because the cost of living is so low.
Seriously, tell most people who live in Seattle that they're being moved to Cincinnati or Tampa, and see how far pumping the cost of living will get you.
Seriously, tell most people who live in Seattle that they're being moved to Cincinnati or Tampa, and see how far pumping the cost of living will get you.
But COL is only a very small factor in the idea of uprooting everything and everyone we love. losing our mountains and our ocean...
#119
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A group of us have talked about forming a little township on one of our SEA folks who moved up to IRC's land - poor gal! We've got it all figured out, right down to who's going to be in charge of the mess hall etc -
But COL is only a very small factor in the idea of uprooting everything and everyone we love. losing our mountains and our ocean...
But COL is only a very small factor in the idea of uprooting everything and everyone we love. losing our mountains and our ocean...
And don't forget about SLC - it has a large body of salty water and mountains. A win-win!
#120
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Dang... Sorry to hear this. So does this mean no more phantom upgrades (ala NW style) for the KM's on their international (and intersteller) flights or will you just be doing this from another city?
P.S. I'm on flight DL 186 out of HKG April 20 10:30am so let's get that taken care of
P.S. I'm on flight DL 186 out of HKG April 20 10:30am so let's get that taken care of
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