First Class Monetization, or FCM: The Definitive Thread
Jan 16, 2019, 5:41 pm
#4171
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"killing the goose that laid the golden egg" should resonate with more than a few FTers who made a habit of both doing this and posting about it on a regular basis (in the interest of full disclosure, I took advantage of it more than a few times, but kept my online gloating to a minimum)
Jan 16, 2019, 6:24 pm
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Jan 16, 2019, 8:10 pm
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not in the past 18 months or so since DL put explicit language in the SDC rules ... something like "If you have purchased a First Class experience, no Same-Day Confirmed changes are permitted to a Delta One experience."
"killing the goose that laid the golden egg" should resonate with more than a few FTers who made a habit of both doing this and posting about it on a regular basis (in the interest of full disclosure, I took advantage of it more than a few times, but kept my online gloating to a minimum)
"killing the goose that laid the golden egg" should resonate with more than a few FTers who made a habit of both doing this and posting about it on a regular basis (in the interest of full disclosure, I took advantage of it more than a few times, but kept my online gloating to a minimum)
I'd change to New York–San Diego–Seattle–Portland in first-class, if you had the time and wanted the extra MQMs.
Jan 17, 2019, 8:06 am
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not in the past 18 months or so since DL put explicit language in the SDC rules ... something like "If you have purchased a First Class experience, no Same-Day Confirmed changes are permitted to a Delta One experience."
"killing the goose that laid the golden egg" should resonate with more than a few FTers who made a habit of both doing this and posting about it on a regular basis (in the interest of full disclosure, I took advantage of it more than a few times, but kept my online gloating to a minimum)
"killing the goose that laid the golden egg" should resonate with more than a few FTers who made a habit of both doing this and posting about it on a regular basis (in the interest of full disclosure, I took advantage of it more than a few times, but kept my online gloating to a minimum)
Jan 17, 2019, 3:44 pm
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Delta.com is offering me a buy-up into first-class for Albuquerque–Salt Lake City–Detroit at $508.48 or 47,300 miles.
No thanks, especially since I have comfort-plus aisle seats on both segments.
Albuquerque–Salt Lake City is on the Embraer 175 and Salt Lake City–Detroit is on the Boeing 737-900.
By comparison, the $84.93 or 7,900 miles buy-up for Detroit–Norfolk on the CRJ-700 is somewhat more reasonable.
No thanks, especially since I have comfort-plus aisle seats on both segments.
Albuquerque–Salt Lake City is on the Embraer 175 and Salt Lake City–Detroit is on the Boeing 737-900.
By comparison, the $84.93 or 7,900 miles buy-up for Detroit–Norfolk on the CRJ-700 is somewhat more reasonable.
Jan 18, 2019, 10:24 am
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Anyone have a general feel if FCM or C+ offers tend to improve/get worse over time, or generally stay constant?
If so what is the timing on improved/worsened offers?
If so what is the timing on improved/worsened offers?
Jan 18, 2019, 10:45 am
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It used to be that they got higher but now I've seen that they are getting lower. I often see them disappear inside the 5 day upgrade window but maybe they block them for Medallion members during upgrade window so we don't get offended.
Jan 18, 2019, 1:43 pm
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Delta.com is offering me a buy-up into first-class for Albuquerque–Salt Lake City–Detroit at $508.48 or 47,300 miles.
No thanks, especially since I have comfort-plus aisle seats on both segments.
Albuquerque–Salt Lake City is on the Embraer 175 and Salt Lake City–Detroit is on the Boeing 737-900.
By comparison, the $84.93 or 7,900 miles buy-up for Detroit–Norfolk on the CRJ-700 is somewhat more reasonable.
No thanks, especially since I have comfort-plus aisle seats on both segments.
Albuquerque–Salt Lake City is on the Embraer 175 and Salt Lake City–Detroit is on the Boeing 737-900.
By comparison, the $84.93 or 7,900 miles buy-up for Detroit–Norfolk on the CRJ-700 is somewhat more reasonable.
Jan 18, 2019, 4:56 pm
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DL used to round the miles in a way that wasn't in our favor when you paid for a domestic FCM offer with miles, but now the deals are "worth" a bit more than one cent per mile. Has anyone figured out the algorithm?
Jan 18, 2019, 10:24 pm
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I've seen some wild gyrations. MSP-RSW was running about $600 for a long time (uhh, nope!), then at about two weeks it went to $900 (NOPE!) and inside of 5 days down the $385. My RUC that was soon expiring cleared after OLCI, but I'd have stayed in C+ rather than pay (I don't recall the miles offer).
Jan 19, 2019, 4:35 am
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I've seen some wild gyrations. MSP-RSW was running about $600 for a long time (uhh, nope!), then at about two weeks it went to $900 (NOPE!) and inside of 5 days down the $385. My RUC that was soon expiring cleared after OLCI, but I'd have stayed in C+ rather than pay (I don't recall the miles offer).
Jan 19, 2019, 6:45 am
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Calling it an "algorithm" is being a bit generous. The cash offers have the domestic 7.5% US Excise tax applied while the mileage offer is simply a 1 CPM valuation without the excise tax applied. So, take the mileage amount, divide by 100, and then multiply by 1.075 and there's your cash offer. Works every time.